distances between kills.odd

[Batman]

yes I know Moore had his Gull inspire Sutcliffe and Brady. But that is all. He never mentions an increase in serial killers. And you would have to go some way to prove that there were the same number of serial killers before Jack as there are today. There are conservative estimates of 50 serial killers in the US at any one time. Some say more.

It is a fact that serial killers are inspired by those that come before them. Logically this would demonstrate an increase in serial killers.

And not just that. The killings have increased the delight of serial murder in the minds of the public. And that is truly a wicked spell to cast.

There isn't an increase in serial killers.

What happened in the early 80s was the first attempts to look at possible links between unlinked crimes. This threw up a figure which was previously unknown, not that it didn't exist.

A good example of serial killers back in even the dark times was the attribution of some homicides to dark forces like werewolves. No man could possibly do that to a person!, so it had to be something evil. A werewolf on the loose was the explanation back then.

[albie]

(i said)Consider this: While laying down my evidence on this forum I happened to watch a DVD called THE WEREWOLF OF WASHINGTON. JACK WHITTER is a presidential aide who gets bitten by a wolf and becomes a werewolf and goes around killing people in Washington. He realises that each kill site forms a pattern. A pentagram (symbol of Venus). He shows this map to his bosses. In the next scene we see a digital clock at 16:21. It instantly clicks to 16:22. The 22nd letter of the alphabet is V for Venus(and more). We then see a close up a painting. They close up on a woman holding a red five petalled flower, possibly a rose. Symbol of venus. So we have a Jack killing in a place that starts with W his name is very much like the word WHITE. And we have a scene in which three symbols of Venus are shown in a row.

This clock and painting had nothing to do with the plot. They just seemed to have been thrown in. That's how you would see it. I see more than you.

(you said)Consider this Albie........ITS FICTION!

Right so there's some weird force stopping fact coming through fiction is there? And yet here we are discussing FROM HELL. A work of fiction.

And you still haven't told me why my evidence is 'irrelevant'.

Any pattern, be it a thumb print whorl or a dna haplotype, is relevant. My pattern clearly points to someone connected to Venus. and oh look we have The Golden Dawn Temple to Isis-Urania! Just started in 1888 not far from the kill zone. Oh dear, what a silly coincidence. Let's not bother with that. Let's poke through Druitt's life looking for clues we can magnify into leads. Let's pour over Sickert paintings and exaggerate anything we find ambiguous there. THAT'S ok to do. But not numbers that actually have something to do with the building blocks of the deaths.

[albie]

That's solid Moore. JtR birthed the 20th Century and left his mark as a 'god' for eternity. He appears as a head in the sky to influence Ian Brady. He speaks to Sutcliffe to turn him into the Yorkshire Ripper.

There is a problem with this though. Serial killers existed long before JtR was on the scene. What was new was media coverage.

Stephen Knight figured out two things and so did Moore...

JtR sells newspapers.
Royalty sells newspapers.

Combine both and you can't stop that from selling itself.

A well-thought-out cash-in.

yes I know Moore had his Gull inspire Sutcliffe and Brady. But that is all. He never mentions an increase in serial killers. And you would have to go some way to prove that there were the same number of serial killers before Jack as there are today. There are conservative estimates of 50 serial killers in the US at any one time. Some say more.

It is a fact that serial killers are inspired by those that come before them. Logically this would demonstrate an increase in serial killers.

And not just that. The killings have increased the delight of serial murder in the minds of the public. And that is truly a wicked spell to cast.

[Batman]

These killings were meant to catch your attention. Because they were intended to increase the number of serial killers in the world. Mission accomplished.

That's solid Moore. JtR birthed the 20th Century and left his mark as a 'god' for eternity. He appears as a head in the sky to influence Ian Brady. He speaks to Sutcliffe to turn him into the Yorkshire Ripper.

There is a problem with this though. Serial killers existed long before JtR was on the scene. What was new was media coverage.

Stephen Knight figured out two things and so did Moore...

JtR sells newspapers.
Royalty sells newspapers.

Combine both and you can't stop that from selling itself.

A well-thought-out cash-in.

[albie]

Chap 4, page 34. Bottom of the page.

BTW, he talks about the temple of Diana around this point also.

Right so if he blamed Mercury for the killings then that makes my theory unoriginal?

Moore's and my theory are not the same. And he clearly wasn't actually laying out an actual theory of the killings. I am.

[albie]

The left nostril is sacred to Venus? What about the right nostril?

Mars. I doubt he was going to just get out some scissors and snip off one nostril. Would get lost in his pocket. The only body part taken that doesn't fit the pattern is Eddowes' right ear.

But then these are people with a greater knowledge of venus than us and out internet.

[albie]

If the police were investigating these crimes today they would look at the same things that today’s researchers are. They wouldn’t be looking for black magic symbols unless of course they had a solid reason like a killer writing ‘ I love Satan’ near to a victim. Yes I’m being a bit facetious but the principal is the same..

I'm sure if the evidence was laid out then they would be interested.

There is more to the ripper than just some random nutcase. Why do you think people obsess over it? Other than that he was one of the first media friendly serial killers and never caught.

These killings were meant to catch your attention. Because they were intended to increase the number of serial killers in the world. Mission accomplished.

[Sam Flynn]

The killer cut off the tip of Eddowes' nose. I recently read a book that details the magical beliefs of my suspect The Golden Dawn. To them the left nostril is sacred to Venus.

The left nostril is sacred to Venus? What about the right nostril?

[Batman]

You say Moore treats all gods as one God. I did not see that.

Chap 4, page 34. Bottom of the page.

BTW, he talks about the temple of Diana around this point also.

[albie]

Of course, he doesn't say what it is exactly because he is invoking loads of gods from Egyptian times, through to Roman through to the modern freemason interpretations. You go with one god. He claims they are all the same one. Plus you have your pentagram map.

Furthermore, Moore covers the Golden Dawn and Gull meets Yates. It is treated as an esoteric cult that is in opposition to the Freemasons.

Sure you have a variation on this theme, but it isn't a million miles away from what Stephen Knight put forward in his book The Final Solution which was the basis for Moore's From Hell.

I'm not saying my theory is totally original. I explain that I take elements from other authors in my letter to Icke and also in my original online research on the Icke forum. And we have already discussed the similarity to FROM HELL on here some days ago. Yes. He mentions the Golden Dawn. But they are not the culprits in the comic. Nobody but me has discovered that the body parts(and now the brass rings taken from Chapman) all relate to venus. Nobody but me has discovered that the days between each crime relate to venus.

You say Moore treats all gods as one God. I did not see that. Although I my theory Jesus, his mother and his possible girlfriend Mary Magdalen are the same as Venus. Isn't it odd that the killer first kills one Mary and ends with a Mary.

But you wouldn't have noticed anything like that because you are scared to try.

[albie]

I’ve repeatedly told you Albie. Look for patterns and symbols and signs and you’ll very likely find them.

Doesn't matter what you say. All the numbers match only one thing. Venus.

Find me another commonality between 8 5 22 40 kidneys heart bladder wombs.
And you can add brass rings and Catherine Eddowes' nose to the list. Brass rings were taken from Chapman. Brass contains copper, which is sacred to Venus.

Nose? The killer cut off the tip of Eddowes' nose. I recently read a book that details the magical beliefs of my suspect The Golden Dawn. To them the left nostril is sacred to Venus. Only they would want a nose.

Yes. It could all be coincidence. I know that. But it's one big set of coincidences. Suspiciously like a meaningful pattern. And you saying it is just coincidence does not debunk it.

Tie in the fact that the distances between each death are so similar and we have something that needs paying attention to. Not blindly ignoring.

And you didn't tell me the links between Jesus and Venus. Demonstrating that you are ignorant of this subject and hence have no say.

[Batman]

Re-read FROM HELL. No mention of Venus at all except when Gull and Netley draw lines on a map joining all the places they visited and it forms a pentagram(symbol of venus). Gull does not actually say "this is a symbol of venus"btw. No mention of the body parts taken relating to anything. No mention of the days of the killings being significant.

So no, it is not all in there.

Of course, he doesn't say what it is exactly because he is invoking loads of gods from Egyptian times, through to Roman through to the modern freemason interpretations. You go with one god. He claims they are all the same one. Plus you have your pentagram map.

Furthermore, Moore covers the Golden Dawn and Gull meets Yates. It is treated as an esoteric cult that is in opposition to the Freemasons.

Sure you have a variation on this theme, but it isn't a million miles away from what Stephen Knight put forward in his book The Final Solution which was the basis for Moore's From Hell.

[albie]

The streets weren't carpeted with them at all hours, and I stand by what I said. It's preposterous to believe that the Ripper only went out on the nights of the murders and "struck lucky" every time, and it's also extremely unlikely that he'd have had much control over where he'd find or kill a victim. I doubt whether he'd have cared, either.

Can you prove your statement that "The streets weren't carpeted with them at all hours"?

[albie]

Did you read Alan Moore's From Hell? It seems you are restating mostly the same things. Golden Dawn is featured in it as a masonic splinter group that Gull sends a warning to.

The start of the book with Netley has the Egyptian gods connection.

Re-read FROM HELL. No mention of Venus at all except when Gull and Netley draw lines on a map joining all the places they visited and it forms a pentagram(symbol of venus). Gull does not actually say "this is a symbol of venus"btw. No mention of the body parts taken relating to anything. No mention of the days of the killings being significant.

So no, it is not all in there.

[GUT]

This thread in summary:

"If all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail."

Or for some even not having a hammer I can make it look like a nail.