All Roads Lead to Dorset St.,

[MrBarnett]

Legalities I suspect ...... as with her burial
Certainly wasn't named after John Kelly
The mere fact that she chose to use the name Conway many years after hooking up with Kelly suggests to me that she never particularly wanted to use the name .
The real mystery is what changed on her return from Kent .
Which given a little thought may not be a mystery at all

On one occasion she used Eddowes on another, later occasion Conway 'or Eddowes'. There was an earlier conviction for which I haven't seen the record, but I suspect that was also on the name of Eddowes. As for her use of Kelly only after her return from Kent, how much information do we have about the time between her hooking up with Kelly and going to Kent?

[packers stem]

Reinforced, of course, by her inquest testimony: "I live at 20 Room in Miller's-court, above the shed" (Daily Telegraph, 13th November)

And yet a few posts back you were at pains to point out that stables are more like a shed than a parlour and 26 was a barrow depot rather than a shed .
Fact is eddowes could have slept in either /or neither .... but two reports suggests it to be more probable than possible .
I like 'probable'..... it's about as good as things get with JTR on the whole 😀
Whether 26 or 6 doesn't affect the whole point which is that at all the c5 lived or at times stayed within yards of each other and frequented the same (parlour style ) public houses spending the majority of their time in them .
They knew each other well , of course they did .
Any other notion would be ridiculous

[packers stem]

If she was so attached to the Conway name, why did she revert to her maiden name when in Wandsworth prison?

Legalities I suspect ...... as with her burial
Certainly wasn't named after John Kelly
The mere fact that she chose to use the name Conway many years after hooking up with Kelly suggests to me that she never particularly wanted to use the name .
The real mystery is what changed on her return from Kent .
Which given a little thought may not be a mystery at all

[Sam Flynn]

Daily Telegraph, 10 Nov;

"Elizabeth Prater, the occupant of the first floor front room, was one of those who saw the body through the window"

Reinforced, of course, by her inquest testimony: "I live at 20 Room in Miller's-court, above the shed" (Daily Telegraph, 13th November)

[Batman]

Daily Telegraph, 10 Nov;

"Elizabeth Prater, the occupant of the first floor front room, was one of those who saw the body through the window"

That makes sense.

[Joshua Rogan]

"the first-floor front, facing Dorset-street, being over a shed or warehouse used for the storage of costers' barrows."

Daily Telegraph, 10 Nov;

"Elizabeth Prater, the occupant of the first floor front room, was one of those who saw the body through the window"

[DJA]

Probably explains why they couldn't catch Jack the Ripper

[Sam Flynn]

It is not very precise if nobody can find any record of Mary Jane Kelly before her murder.

It is precise in that this was the only information the police had to go on, whether it was her real name or not.

[DJA]

Let's be precise. I was Mary Jane (or Marie Jeanette) Kelly who was killed at Miller's Court, 26 Dorset Street. Eddowes' false names referred to Jane Kelly of 6 Dorset Street, and Mary ANN Kelly of 6 Fashion Street.

It is not very precise if nobody can find any record of Mary Jane Kelly before her murder.

[Sam Flynn]

Let's say you are right and they didn't think anything of it then.

Why aren't they thinking something of it AFTER Mary Kelly of Miller's Court, Dorset street is murdered?

Let's be precise. I was Mary Jane (or Marie Jeanette) Kelly who was killed at Miller's Court, 26 Dorset Street. Eddowes' false names referred to Jane Kelly of 6 Dorset Street, and Mary ANN Kelly of 6 Fashion Street.

[DJA]

All roads lead to Dorset St.,

Reckon the story goes back to the 1860s when Mary Ann Kelly was a child.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labouchere_Amendment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Law_Amendment_Act_1885

[Sam Flynn]

She didn't tell the truth about anything at all, except to her partner. Nothing that was written down, nothing she said to officers, was the truth. Yet we are to believe she gave the right address to a stable in all of that?

But she gave the wrong name on that pawn ticket and, in similar vein to her having plucked a familiar surname (that of her partner) out of the air, there's no reason why a familiar address wouldn't have popped into her head as well.

26 Dorset St. is one figure less than the address she gave of 6 Dorset St. Just take away the 2 and we are talking about the room next to Kellys.

There were a number 16 and 36 Dorset Street as well, so we can't just say "add a 2" because doing so would fit in with a preconceived notion that McCarthy's shed must somehow have been "the" shed referred to in the Telegraph of October 3rd.

At least we know that 6 Dorset Street backed onto stables, which are shed-like of their very nature, and have a track record of providing accommodation to desperate nomads going all the way back to the birth of Jesus. Not that I'm saying that these stables were the "shed" referred to in the Eddowes newspaper report, only that (a) stables resemble sheds more than domestic front rooms do; and (b) these particular stables coincide with an address that Eddowes actually gave.

A woman whose name-like she happened to be using the day she was murdered.

A combination of a very common forename (Jane, not Mary or Mary Jane for that matter) and her partner's surname. No more remarkable than a man choosing "Dave Smith" or "Jim Jones".

Sam how many coincidences do you have going on there with your overall view of the case? Between rejecting Stride and Graffiti and now that Eddowes was staying in Miller's court, and the names Mary and Kelly being used, do you believe there are ANY connections in this case at all???

They're all easily explained without stretching credulity in any way, so I'm not in the least bit fazed by their coinciding.

As to "now that Eddowes was staying in Miller's court", it's yet to be proven that the shed referred to in the DT of 3rd October was McCarthy's "shed" at all, and - given that we know that it was McCarthy's barrow depot - it seems very unlikely that it was.

[Batman]

"In a BBC interview in 1973, an elderly nun at the refuge claimed that she had been a novice there in 1915 and was told by an old sister who was there in 1888 that "if it had not been for the Kelly woman, none of the murders would have happened"

Mary Kelly's murder put an end to the murders.
Doubt it was the big secret most think it was.

All roads lead to Dorset St.,

[DJA]

Let's say you are right and they didn't think anything of it then.

Why aren't they thinking something of it AFTER Mary Kelly of Miller's Court, Dorset street is murdered?

We certainly are.

"In a BBC interview in 1973, an elderly nun at the refuge claimed that she had been a novice there in 1915 and was told by an old sister who was there in 1888 that "if it had not been for the Kelly woman, none of the murders would have happened"

Mary Kelly's murder put an end to the murders.
Doubt it was the big secret most think it was.

Providence Row was originally a stable in Finsbury Square that was used for homeless women and children, which was relocated to Crispin Street in 1868.

[Batman]

The problem is that Eddowes can be associated with at least two false names/addresses: Jane Kelly of 6 Dorset Street, and Mary Ann Kelly of 6 Fashion Street. Chances are that neither of these women really existed, so the police wouldn't have got very far. They probably realised that they were false names and addresses from the get-go.

Let's say you are right and they didn't think anything of it then.

Why aren't they thinking something of it AFTER Mary Kelly of Miller's Court, Dorset street is murdered?

We certainly are.