Leather Apron found at Hanbury Street

[Michael W Richards]

If memory serves it belonged to John Richardson (he who cut an offending bit of leather from his boot at the back of number 29 at around 4:45 the night of the murder). He was - I believe - a porter at Spitalfields Market (?) and helped with is mother's business (she lived in and ran a packing business out of 29 Hanbury Street). Richardson had stopped to check the locks that morning since there'd been a recent robbery at the property. The apron aws his, had become mildewed and his mother had washed it and left it in the yard a few days previous.

In my view, Jack the Ripper didn't taunt the police. I don't believe that the killer wrote any of the letters to the police, to the press, or to Lusk. I don't believe that the killer wrote in Goulston Street. That said, the Zodiac may have written his letters, emulating his impression or understanding of what HE believed Jack the Ripper had done. The letters are well known and many believe they were written by the killer (especially those not all that familiar). So, Zodiac may have believed it as well and used it as inspiration. For me, that's where any comparison must end. I see two very different killers. Of course, neither were identified. So, they are very much linked in that way.

Of all the letters claiming to be from the killer at large, only 1 came with biological material that was never proven, or disproven, to have been taken from the Mitre Square victim. The fact that they could not connect that specific organ to Kate is hardly dismissal grounds, they were not able to using their primitive scientific tools. Had the kidney survived, who knows?

[ArmchairsLeuth]

Patrick, I don't believe most of the letters to be genuine. The only one that gives me pause (far from convinced though) is the Lusk Letter. Dear Boss had to have been fake, the language used in it doesn't fit with the sort of person who could do what the ripper did to MJK and to a lesser extent CE.

I also agree that JtR did not write the GSG. I cannot make my head get to a place where that makes sense. Crazed killer with somewhat bloody hands and the knife fleeing through the streets knowing police are all over the place stops and thinks 'ooh, hang on. Gotta write this on a wall, now where did I put my chalk?' Nope. Not working for me at all. The apron found there too on the other hand.........

Abby, thank you! You guys amaze me, all of you. I've considered myself a when-I-can ripperologist for about 10 years now I think and haven't even scratched the surface yet. (Edit: horrific pun was NOT intended) And yes, you make an excellent point. SoS, Z et al were all about the psychology as well as the actual killing. This guy was.....not. Especially since today i think it was AK. yesterday I was convinced it was Cohen, last week it was Cream. Not sure why I never thought of that myself, it makes much more sense now you point it out!

[Abby Normal]

If memory serves it belonged to John Richardson (he who cut an offending bit of leather from his boot at the back of number 29 at around 4:45 the night of the murder). He was - I believe - a porter at Spitalfields Market (?) and helped with is mother's business (she lived in and ran a packing business out of 29 Hanbury Street). Richardson had stopped to check the locks that morning since there'd been a recent robbery at the property. The apron aws his, had become mildewed and his mother had washed it and left it in the yard a few days previous.

In my view, Jack the Ripper didn't taunt the police. I don't believe that the killer wrote any of the letters to the police, to the press, or to Lusk. I don't believe that the killer wrote in Goulston Street. That said, the Zodiac may have written his letters, emulating his impression or understanding of what HE believed Jack the Ripper had done. The letters are well known and many believe they were written by the killer (especially those not all that familiar). So, Zodiac may have believed it as well and used it as inspiration. For me, that's where any comparison must end. I see two very different killers. Of course, neither were identified. So, they are very much linked in that way.

yes that's it thanks Patrick.
and yes, the Zodiac and the ripper were completely different kinds of serial killers. Zodiac was a thrill killer and ripper post mortem mutilator. The former (like son of sam)are much more known to write letters than the latter (think Dahmer, bundy).

[Patrick S]

Hi all. Thinking a bit here about a clean leather apron that was apparently found at the Annie Chapman scene. If that's true and one was indeed left there, is this some sort of Zodiac-style taking taunting of the police, given the fuss that was going on around John Pizer/'leather apron' at around that same time?

I'm just thinking here. There seem to be a few instances where Z took inspiration from JtR. What think you, kind people?

If memory serves it belonged to John Richardson (he who cut an offending bit of leather from his boot at the back of number 29 at around 4:45 the night of the murder). He was - I believe - a porter at Spitalfields Market (?) and helped with is mother's business (she lived in and ran a packing business out of 29 Hanbury Street). Richardson had stopped to check the locks that morning since there'd been a recent robbery at the property. The apron aws his, had become mildewed and his mother had washed it and left it in the yard a few days previous.

In my view, Jack the Ripper didn't taunt the police. I don't believe that the killer wrote any of the letters to the police, to the press, or to Lusk. I don't believe that the killer wrote in Goulston Street. That said, the Zodiac may have written his letters, emulating his impression or understanding of what HE believed Jack the Ripper had done. The letters are well known and many believe they were written by the killer (especially those not all that familiar). So, Zodiac may have believed it as well and used it as inspiration. For me, that's where any comparison must end. I see two very different killers. Of course, neither were identified. So, they are very much linked in that way.

[Abby Normal]

Hi all. Thinking a bit here about a clean leather apron that was apparently found at the Annie Chapman scene. If that's true and one was indeed left there, is this some sort of Zodiac-style taking taunting of the police, given the fuss that was going on around John Pizer/'leather apron' at around that same time?

I'm just thinking here. There seem to be a few instances where Z took inspiration from JtR. What think you, kind people?

No. it was left there by one of the tenants sons-they had a tools and stuff in the basement. I believe he had washed and left it there to dry.

[ArmchairsLeuth]

Hi all. Thinking a bit here about a clean leather apron that was apparently found at the Annie Chapman scene. If that's true and one was indeed left there, is this some sort of Zodiac-style taking taunting of the police, given the fuss that was going on around John Pizer/'leather apron' at around that same time?

I'm just thinking here. There seem to be a few instances where Z took inspiration from JtR. What think you, kind people?