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  • #46
    secret society

    Hello Mike. Thanks. Perhaps you refer to Sir Charles musing that he thought a secret society responsible?

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • #47
      Hi all,

      Warren wrote that he thought Socialists WERE NOT responsible, but he did think that some unnamed 'secret society' was responsible for the murders. I don't recall him EVER mentioning anyone by name as a personal suspect, lest of all General Millen.

      Yours truly,

      Tom Wescott

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      • #48
        Maybe someone should start a thread called 'The Millen Scam'.
        allisvanityandvexationofspirit

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        • #49
          I have trod through all I have the patience for and cannot find a reference for the comment I made about Warren, so Ill retract it.

          Perhaps Ive confused the individual in question.

          Sorry for the sidetrack.
          Michael Richards

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          • #50
            In his bookČJack the Ripper' (Amberly,2012) Colin Kendell discusses at some length the additional information supplied to him personally by Christopher Monro.Monro is said to have stated that his father,James Monro`s younger son,told him the contents of his father`s papers when in fear of his life in the 1930`s in India.Essentially Monro had been studying the activities of the `Apostles, at Cambridge,a
            secret society of misogynist leanings.Druit,a Wykhamis and Oxonian,was drawn in when he started to study at the Bar. The Apostles at that time was dominated by J K Stephens. Why this society should be involved in ritual murder is not disclosed.
            This information does lend credence to Aberlines remark about seeking the killer `higher in society' and Lady Aberconway`s `topling the monarchy'.Possibly the secret society remark of Warrens was to the Apostles. It was certanly a ` hot potato' ie something nobody wanted on their plate

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            • #51
              The ripper case was a de facto hot potato-famous, frustrating, unsolved, pressure on the police, especially higher ups-helped settle the hash of warren. no need for it to refer to conspiracies, royal connection, high society etc. it was a hot potato for what it was- ahigh profile unsolved murder series.
              "Is all that we see or seem
              but a dream within a dream?"

              -Edgar Allan Poe


              "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
              quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

              -Frederick G. Abberline

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              • #52
                There is nothing to suggest that Christopher Monro was being anything less than truthful.

                But he was relating a fifty-year-old story which, by his own account, originated in unseen documents whose very existence was uncertain.
                Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                  The ripper case was a de facto hot potato-famous, frustrating, unsolved, pressure on the police, especially higher ups-helped settle the hash of warren. no need for it to refer to conspiracies, royal connection, high society etc. it was a hot potato for what it was- ahigh profile unsolved murder series.
                  Yep. If we look to Occam's Razor this would seem to be the correct answer.

                  c.d.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by c.d. View Post

                    Yep. If we look to Occam's Razor this would seem to be the correct answer.
                    Occam's Razor or reductio ad absurdum? I don't understand what is being suggested.

                    Why would Monro need to write a "highly private memoranda" if only to state that he had no idea who the murderer was?

                    What purpose would such a document serve, and why the need to keep it private? He'd merely be saying what most people already believed anyway, and what had already been said in public by Major Smith, Reid, and Abberline. Why would such a statement be a "hot potato"?

                    The explanation makes no sense, does it?



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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                      Occam's Razor or reductio ad absurdum? I don't understand what is being suggested.

                      Why would Monro need to write a "highly private memoranda" if only to state that he had no idea who the murderer was?

                      What purpose would such a document serve, and why the need to keep it private? He'd merely be saying what most people already believed anyway, and what had already been said in public by Major Smith, Reid, and Abberline. Why would such a statement be a "hot potato"?

                      The explanation makes no sense, does it?


                      I think RJ that the "hot potato" doesn't necessarily mean that he had an individuals name in mind. Maybe he referred to goings on that the killer or killers were likely linked with.
                      Michael Richards

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                        Occam's Razor or reductio ad absurdum? I don't understand what is being suggested.

                        Why would Monro need to write a "highly private memoranda" if only to state that he had no idea who the murderer was?

                        What purpose would such a document serve, and why the need to keep it private? He'd merely be saying what most people already believed anyway, and what had already been said in public by Major Smith, Reid, and Abberline. Why would such a statement be a "hot potato"?

                        The explanation makes no sense, does it?


                        hi rj
                        cd was responding to my post:

                        The ripper case was a de facto hot potato-famous, frustrating, unsolved, pressure on the police, especially higher ups-helped settle the hash of warren. no need for it to refer to conspiracies, royal connection, high society etc. it was a hot potato for what it was- ahigh profile unsolved murder series.
                        so I take it that monro was saying the case was a hot potato in itself (so no need to invoke conspiracies). I wasnt really commenting on whether he named anyone or not, although I agree-he probably had someone in mind. but probably not prince albert, police or those of that ilk.

                        are there any hints at who Monro might have had in mind anywhere?
                        "Is all that we see or seem
                        but a dream within a dream?"

                        -Edgar Allan Poe


                        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                        -Frederick G. Abberline

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                        • #57
                          Take your best guess Abby.

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                          • #58
                            Hi Scott,

                            If Christopher Monro was telling the truth, and there's no reason to believe otherwise, I would suggest that James Monro—just like Anderson, Macnaghten, "Swanson" and Abberline—was merely keeping the Ripper pot boiling.

                            Hope you're well.

                            Regards,

                            Simon
                            Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                              Hi Scott,

                              If Christopher Monro was telling the truth, and there's no reason to believe otherwise, I would suggest that James Monro—just like Anderson, Macnaghten, "Swanson" and Abberline—was merely keeping the Ripper pot boiling.

                              Hope you're well.

                              Regards,

                              Simon
                              Privately, to his son, from the jungles of Bengal? The explanation doesn't seem very likely, Simon. Propaganda without publicity is pointless.

                              I've worked it out, but I can't adequately explain it in under 200 pages and three pints.

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                              • #60
                                Hi RJ,

                                Christopher Monro can only be talking about the family rumour. Not its substance.

                                So hit me with your explanation. I've got nothing else to do for the rest of this year, and probably beyond. I'll mail you some beer tokens.

                                Hope you're staying well.

                                Simon
                                Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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