Timelining and revealing the MM

[mariab]

Lynn, I'm not sure if you mean that Butterworth was in Paris or at Stanford? If in Paris, he might have certainly looked at the inventaries in question (the ones I've posted), as everything else is from the wrong historical period or pertains to strict police bureaucracy. At least as their online catalogue goes. (But there might be more to see when I get there.)
(By the way, if I don't manage to get up tomorrow and take care of several things, I might need to change my easyjet ticket for a day or 2. From my bed it feels like I can totally conquer the world, but when it comes to actually DOING something...)

[lynn cates]

yup

Hello Maria. Yup. Butterworth was there. But he may not have been looking for what we are.

By all means, a good idea for research.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Helter Skelter, eh? I assume you're referring to the 1976 TV film (which I've never seen). It's based on Steve Bugliosi's book, but I don't think it's a documentary.
I apologize for (very briefly) misdirecting this thread, but (if I might ask a very quick question, instead of starting a new thread that might go unnoticed for weeks), has anyone here ever visited the Musée de la Préfecture de Police (which appears to be the French equivalent to the London Metropolitan Museum) at the Quartier Latin in Paris? This Museum contains police archives, and Lynn, look what I've found in their online catalogue:
SERIE B/A – Période 1869-1970:
Rapports de recherches et de renseignements émanant de la Police de Sûreté et de la Police de Renseignement dans un premier temps, de la Direction des Renseignements Généraux pour la section contemporaine.
Inventaire: 2 volumes (BA 1ère Partie, plus fichier alphabétique) et (BA 2ème Partie, classement alphabétique: thèmes et personnalités).
Promising, ain't it? I'll definitely go through these 2 inventories, looking for your favorite member of the Paris Okhrana. It can't hurt even to keep an eye open for a certain Danish person of interest, although for the latter I have my doubts...
Plus I've found you a link to the archives of the Belgian Police de Sûreté for people moving around Europe. It's not Amsterdam, but it's close. I'll email you with this.
Many apologies for the parenthesis, and I'm curious to know if anyone here is familiar with this Police Museum in Paris.

[lynn cates]

to err

Hello Phil. That reminds me of the sign displayed at the DA's office in "Helter Skelter"--"To err is human, but to forgive is against departmental policy."

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Thank you so much for explaining about PRO. Good to hear that these materials are available at TNA now.
I can imagine things have gone missing from PRO over the years, but NOT from TNA!

[Trevor Marriott]

PRO stands for Public Record Office, as was, it is now TNA or The National Archives. The Metropolitan Police, although retaining authority over their files, were required by statute to lodge their old files of this sort with the PRO (TNA).

Another meaning of TNA is "Take nothing away" very approriate having regards to what has gone missing from there over the years.

[Stewart P Evans]

Pro

So it's pretty much what I was proposing, apart from the fact that the pagination was added by stamping instead of a typewriter, and that I (stupidly) have no idea what the PRO is.

PRO stands for Public Record Office, as was, it is now TNA or The National Archives. The Metropolitan Police, although retaining authority over their files, were required by statute to lodge their old files of this sort with the PRO (TNA).

[mariab]

So it's pretty much what I was proposing, apart from the fact that the pagination was added by stamping instead of a typewriter, and that I (stupidly) have no idea what the PRO is.

[Stewart P Evans]

Simple

Hi Jonathan,
The "Macnaghten Report" is filed at Scotland Yard as MEPO 3/140, ff. 177-83.
Why is the Casebook PDF version minus the folio numbers?
Regards,
Simon

Well that's a simple one to answer. The 'pagination', i.e. folio (or page) numbers are nothing to do with Scotland Yard, they were stamped on all the documents by the PRO when they acquired the files in the 1980s. The version without the number on it is simply the copy of the document taken whilst it was still at New Scotland Yard in the 1970s and it had no folio numbers stamped on it at that time. At least that dispels this particular whiff of conspiracy.

[mariab]

Oh my, I typed in “Phil Cates“ instead of Phil Carter! Too late to edit this now.
(Freudian slip? Don't think so, as you two have very similar names.)
Anyway, apologies...

[Phil Carter]

Hello Maria,

Although Lynn is a nice guy, he won't want me taking his name!..LOL

Lynn,

Thank you. It was most interesting to see the different views and how we read them over the years. This was of course only 15 books, I didnt have time to go through more! I probably missed some things written here and there. Humanum errare est, eh?

best wishes

Phil

[mariab]

Yes, thanks so much to Phil Cates for taking the time to chronologically list up what the different literature claims about the matter in question. It must obviously have been a lot of work.
Lynn, so sorry for my late response (I've been stupidly ill, again, since yesterday, possibly with food poisoning), and thank you SO much for willing to write for me. I've just emailed you. (I'm not applying at Berkeley after all, but at Johns Hopkins and other.)

[lynn cates]

good job

Hello Phil. Good job.

I think juxtaposing these opinions was a good idea.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Here it is: Nice (or at least neutral) might help in this case.

[Trevor Marriott]

Would you contact the A-Z editors then on behalf of this? Nicely?

Sorry i have misplaced my nice hat !