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  • lynn cates
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    Parnell Commission

    Hello Chris.

    "I still think the question of the Whitechapel murders would not have taken up much time of Special Branch officers."

    Completely agree. The Parnell Commission was taking center stage at this time.

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • lynn cates
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    Sra

    Hello Mike. Well, the intrusion of SRA was claimed by Campbell in his book. There was a cover letter stating that SRA had taken charge of the statement to Littlechild.

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • lynn cates
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    Millen

    Hello Mike.

    "Maybe they were involved more than they wanted the public to know."

    It may be more likely that Lord Salisbury wished not to rattle too many cages, since Millen might have fallen out. Perhaps he put a bug in their ear?

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • lynn cates
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    Piggott

    Hello Mr. Begg.

    "Which specific cases did they have in mind in November 1888?"

    I presume HM government was concerned on other fronts at this time. They were sweating bullets about Richard Piggot and his letters--had been for nearly a month.

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • lynn cates
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    Crawford Letter

    Hello Mike. Thanks. I wonder if Stephen Ryder came across it when he found the Crawford Letter?

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • lynn cates
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    Millen

    Hello Neil. Thanks. Wish we could find Callan's confession. I'd love to see what he had to say about Frank Millen.

    Cheers.
    LC

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  • ChrisGeorge
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    Originally posted by mklhawley View Post
    Hi Chris,

    I see where you are coming from. I'm sure they got involved when their Irish interests were suspects. Note this Big Jim McDermott thread for example:
    http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=4859
    I'm sure there were numerous Irish suspects.

    Mike
    Thanks, Mike. We know for a fact that there were hundreds of men who were suspects during the Whitechapel murders so it makes sense that Special Branch could have been involved with the cases of some Irish suspects or knew about them at least.

    All the best

    Chris

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  • mklhawley
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    Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Yes but the Whitechapel murders would have been viewed as being primarily a police matter, to be attended to by the Met and the City Police. Inasmuch as the main body of murders, the canonicals, took place from the end of August to the beginning of November, knowing how slow the wheels of bureaucracy turn, I have a feeling that despite the political embarrassment the murders were causing, it would not have been possible in that short time frame to focus the efforts on Special Branch on the Whitechapel crimes. Possibly as time went on, although I still think the question of the Whitechapel murders would not have taken up much time of Special Branch officers.

    Chris
    Hi Chris,

    I see where you are coming from. I'm sure they got involved when their Irish interests were suspects. Note this Big Jim McDermott thread for example:
    http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=4859
    I'm sure there were numerous Irish suspects.

    Mike

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  • ChrisGeorge
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    Originally posted by mklhawley View Post
    Chris,
    Special Branch was involved with political issues and the Whitechapel embarrassment was certainly quite political. Maybe they were involved more than they wanted the public to know.
    Yes but the Whitechapel murders would have been viewed as being primarily a police matter, to be attended to by the Met and the City Police. Inasmuch as the main body of murders, the canonicals, took place from the end of August to the beginning of November, knowing how slow the wheels of bureaucracy turn, I have a feeling that despite the political embarrassment the murders were causing, it would not have been possible in that short time frame to focus the efforts on Special Branch on the Whitechapel crimes. Possibly as time went on, although I still think the question of the Whitechapel murders would not have taken up much time of Special Branch officers.

    Chris

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  • mklhawley
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Hi Mike,

    If you say so . . .

    Regards,

    Simon
    Hi Simon,

    I'm referring to Lynn's post where it states Anderson took over the case.

    Mike

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  • Simon Wood
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    Hi Mike,

    If you say so . . .

    Regards,

    Simon

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  • mklhawley
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    Originally posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hi Monty

    Although we may never know for sure I have the hunch that the involvement of Special Branch in the Whitechapel murders was only tangential, that Special Branch men heard of leads to the murderer through their work in combatting and monitoring the Fenians. This could have been how Littlechild knew about Tumblety as being a suspicious character. Considering that the Whitechapel murders generated thousands of leads about who the Whitechapel murderer could have been, it would be surprising if there wasn't something about the murders in the Special Branch files. Although any speculation about what that information was is probably useless since as Trevor Marriott remarked in his talk at the recent Whitechapel Society conference, the actual files with the information have seemingly been destroyed. What is left is a ledger that only summarizes the information and gives tantalizing leads that go nowhere.

    Best regards

    Chris
    Chris,
    Special Branch was involved with political issues and the Whitechapel embarrassment was certainly quite political. Maybe they were involved more than they wanted the public to know.

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  • mklhawley
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    Originally posted by PaulB View Post
    Which specific cases did they have in mind in November 1888?
    Exactly.

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  • mklhawley
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    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
    Hi Mike,

    During the LVP Scotland Yard had something of a reputation for cooking up non-existent dynamite outrages which they could cleverly foil at the eleventh hour. A prime example is the Jubilee Plot.

    The last paragraph of The Sun article neatly sums up the situation.

    Regards,

    Simon
    ...and Anderson was involved.

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  • ChrisGeorge
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    Originally posted by Monty View Post
    The following is an extract of an Email issued by Phil Carter on behalf of Trevor Marriott in relation to the Special Branch files.

    "The specific entries referred to were as follows...-

    Under a specific entry titled “Jack the Ripper” the entry reads “The name given to Wilson at Bushmills

    Under a second entry relating to a file submitted by “Chief Inspector Littlechild” the entry reads “Suspect O`Brien & the Whitechapel Murders”

    In addition I obtained from a confidential source details of another entry which is purported to be in the register this entry reads “R Churchill- Perpetrator of the Whitechapel Murders”

    O'Brien.

    Monty
    Hi Monty

    Although we may never know for sure I have the hunch that the involvement of Special Branch in the Whitechapel murders was only tangential, that Special Branch men heard of leads to the murderer through their work in combatting and monitoring the Fenians. This could have been how Littlechild knew about Tumblety as being a suspicious character. Considering that the Whitechapel murders generated thousands of leads about who the Whitechapel murderer could have been, it would be surprising if there wasn't something about the murders in the Special Branch files. Although any speculation about what that information was is probably useless since as Trevor Marriott remarked in his talk at the recent Whitechapel Society conference, the actual files with the information have seemingly been destroyed. What is left is a ledger that only summarizes the information and gives tantalizing leads that go nowhere.

    Best regards

    Chris

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