Swanson's notes on Stride's murder

[Hamrammr]

Hi,

I was recently looking at Swanson's report on Stride's murder, and saw that one section of his margin notes (he can't seem to leave the margin alone) is scribbled out. Has anyone deciphered this? I've had a go and it seems to mention 1.35am twice, the other words would take longer to work out. Just wondered if anyone had already done this and could save me the time.

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/Dean_Carter/JtR/Swanson%20Report%20-%20Elizabeth%20Stride_zpsnv6thvxu.jpg

[Errata]

Hi,

I was recently looking at Swanson's report on Stride's murder, and saw that one section of his margin notes (he can't seem to leave the margin alone) is scribbled out. Has anyone deciphered this? I've had a go and it seems to mention 1.35am twice, the other words would take longer to work out. Just wondered if anyone had already done this and could save me the time.

http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/p...psnv6thvxu.jpg

I get some other words... I think the first sentence is something like

---- ----- back to back began at 1:35 and by that time the ----- ---- ---- ---- murdered.

And that's all I can get without actual study. Probably not helpful. And it might not be "back to back" but just "--- to back."

[Wickerman]

I had a go at this some months ago, but lost interest

I chose to erase the loops with the background colour, or as near as I could get.
Once that was done then you would be left with partial letters that can be interpreted by simply standing back and squinting.

I didn't finish the process though..

[Pandora]

I had a go at this some months ago, but lost interest

I chose to erase the loops with the background colour, or as near as I could get.
Once that was done then you would be left with partial letters that can be interpreted by simply standing back and squinting.

I didn't finish the process though..

Jon, I tried your method of trying to decipher it, and here's my attempt.

And when I squint, I think I can read the first paragragh as something like this... "(This) (I) (said) to have been at 1:35 : by (that) (time) the (….) had (…..) (definitely) murder."

[GUT]

Jon, I tried your method of trying to decipher it, and here's my attempt.

And when I squint, I think I can read the first paragragh as something like this... "(This) (I) (said) to have been at 1:35 : by (that) (time) the (….) had (…..) (definitely) murder."

I read that 1st bit o be

"Thus it's said to have been at 1:35"

I'll be back when I've nutter on it a bit further.

[GUT]

The world?? Had (two words I think) murder


Or possibly


He would had (have at a stretch).......... Murder.

[Wickerman]

It might help to grasp the context if we knew what portion of the report this marginal notes was connected to.

"This is said to have been at 1.35" seems to flow, but with reference to what?

Maybe Hamrammr can help us out here?

Thats a reasonable attempt Pandora, you might have got the gist of that first bit.

[Pandora]

I read that 1st bit o be

"Thus it's said to have been at 1:35"

I'll be back when I've nutter on it a bit further.

Yes that makes more sense, how's this?

(Thus) (it’s) (said) to have been at 1:35 : by (that) (time) the (scoundrel) had (…..) (definitely) murder.

[Pandora]

It might help to grasp the context if we knew what portion of the report this marginal notes was connected to.

"This is said to have been at 1.35" seems to flow, but with reference to what?

Maybe Hamrammr can help us out here?

Thats a reasonable attempt Pandora, you might have got the gist of that first bit.

Thanks Jon, I did it in rather a rush, so I'll have another crack at tidying it up when I get time.

Your question is a good one, it would be good to know the context of what the surrounding text was referring to.

[Pandora]

The world?? Had (two words I think) murder


Or possibly


He would had (have at a stretch).......... Murder.

I think the last letter on the 3rd line is a "y" so something ending with that I think. I may be grasping at straws with "definitely" though.

[GUT]

I think the last letter on the 3rd line is a "y" so something ending with that I think. I may be grasping at straws with "definitely" though.

I thought possibly or probably.

[Pandora]

I thought possibly or probably.

There's no down stroke for the 'p' though. How about "disorderly"?

[GUT]

What about difficulty?

[Pandora]

What about difficulty?

Definitely maybe. I can see the 2 'ff''s but the spacing of the other letters doesn't seem to work.

If anyone has a link to a high definition version of the original photo, I can have a better go at clearing out the scribble.

[Hamrammr]

Hi,

I did get several words out of my first attempt but I was rushing. I'll have another go later and we can compare notes. I used the basic Microsoft Paint package and found a colour very similar to the paper so overlaid the scribble. It is tricky in some places though. When I get home later I'll try and get a higher definition image and will also reproduce the entire page it relates to.

I have a feeling 1.35am is relevant to the Eddowes murder too, but can't confirm at the mo.

Thanks!