Leaving one's beat

[Elamarna]

That's certainly true today (and I assume it was the same then) but Neil wasn't necessarily rooted to the spot. In fact, he says he went and rang the bell of Essex Wharf and inquired if any disturbance had been heard. He only needed to move a small distance and he would, I think, have had a direct sight line up to Baker's Row (i.e. to see an officer with a lamp).

very true


Steve

[Elamarna]

Do they actually say he "came out of" Old Montague Street though Steve?

Evening Post 3rd Lechmere'ss testimony

"They went away and met a constable coming out of Montague-street,"

Times 18th Paul's testimony

"on together until they met a policeman at the corner of Old Montagu-street, and told him what they had seen. "

Telegraph 18th - Paul

"The man walked with him to Montague-street, and there they saw a policeman."


steve

[Elamarna]

My understanding is that Cross and Paul found Mizen at the point where Hanbury St, Old Montague St and Baker's Row all converge, so he was practically in Baker's Row. His beat might have taken him in that direction anyway. Conversely, I don't think it's possible to see as far as Baker's Row from the murder scene due to the slight curve of the road.

yes that was an issue, the line of sight, however I have an answer to that.


steve

[Joshua Rogan]

That's certainly true today (and I assume it was the same then) but Neil wasn't necessarily rooted to the spot. In fact, he says he went and rang the bell of Essex Wharf and inquired if any disturbance had been heard. He only needed to move a small distance and he would, I think, have had a direct sight line up to Baker's Row (i.e. to see an officer with a lamp).

Yes, it's very tight from Essex Wharf, but may be possible - check out RichardH's virtual Buck's Row and see what you think.
I think he could easily have run as far as the School, from where he would have been able to see that far.

[John G]

However he does not appear to mention Cross and Paul to Neil at all.
That is my new take on what happened. I would really prefer to leave it like this for now.

steve

Okay, thanks Steve. I look forward to reading your take on things.

[Elamarna]

Sorry Steve, forget I said anything!

Not a problem Joshua, just not actually ready yet. you have part of it, but not all.

steve

[John G]

Does this help?

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom...layers=163&b=1

I've just looked at the map in CSI Whitechapel, 2012. Bakers Row leads onto White's Row. There is then a significant bend in the road before White's Row becomes Buck's Row.

[Elamarna]

Okay, excellent spot. But if he was summoned directly by PC Neil, why didn't he just say so? I mean, all he had to say is that he was approached by Cross and Paul and shortly afterwards he was called over by PC Neil. But he doesn't say this.

However he does not appear to mention Cross and Paul to Neil at all.
That is my new take on what happened. I would really prefer to leave it like this for now.

steve

[Joshua Rogan]

I wish that we could all be in a room with a map! I'm hopeless at directions so I'm struggling with this. I'm reluctant to ask because they will probably be stupid questions!

I know. It's never stopped you before, I can hear you say

Does this help?

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.877556030122356&lat=51.5193&lon=-0.0621&layers=163&b=1

[Robert St Devil]

why not attribute his presence to pc neil at the inquest? why go in circles with Cross?

[David Orsam]

I don't think it's possible to see as far as Baker's Row from the murder scene due to the slight curve of the road.

That's certainly true today (and I assume it was the same then) but Neil wasn't necessarily rooted to the spot. In fact, he says he went and rang the bell of Essex Wharf and inquired if any disturbance had been heard. He only needed to move a small distance and he would, I think, have had a direct sight line up to Baker's Row (i.e. to see an officer with a lamp).

[David Orsam]

He comes out of Old Montague street according to Paul and Neil.

Do they actually say he "came out of" Old Montague Street though Steve?

[Herlock Sholmes]

I wish that we could all be in a room with a map! I'm hopeless at directions so I'm struggling with this. I'm reluctant to ask because they will probably be stupid questions!

I know. It's never stopped you before, I can hear you say

[Joshua Rogan]

I fear I am going to have my hand forced here before I am ready.

Sorry Steve, forget I said anything!

[Joshua Rogan]

Either Mizen continued knocking up or he didn't. If he continued knocking up, what was he doing in Baker's Row being spotted by Neil? If he didn't then what made him stop?

My understanding is that Cross and Paul found Mizen at the point where Hanbury St, Old Montague St and Baker's Row all converge, so he was practically in Baker's Row. His beat might have taken him in that direction anyway. Conversely, I don't think it's possible to see as far as Baker's Row from the murder scene due to the slight curve of the road.
Perhaps Neil meant White's Row, or that he saw the PC coming from the Baker's Row end?

Edit...I see this has already been mentioned.