Leaving one's beat

[Abby Normal]

This is an article about knocking up which may well be the most comprehensive examination of the evidence relating to this subject ever written:

http://www.orsam.co.uk/theknockup.htm

again well done David.

[David Orsam]

Thank you Herlock.

[Herlock Sholmes]

This is an article about knocking up which may well be the most comprehensive examination of the evidence relating to this subject ever written:

http://www.orsam.co.uk/theknockup.htm

Another meticulously researched article David. Thanks for posting it. I'd only recently mentioned that I was unclear on the concept of 'knocking up.' I'd always assumed that it wasn't legitimate. The lesson there is 'never assume anything.'

[David Orsam]

This is an article about knocking up which may well be the most comprehensive examination of the evidence relating to this subject ever written:

http://www.orsam.co.uk/theknockup.htm

[David Orsam]

Mizen was wanted by a policeman in Buck´s Row who was attacked by a drunk woman. He needed assistance.

So his life had to be protected.

Have you been drinking my dear boy?

[Pierre]

Yes, I know, and my question was in response to this statement:

"If, in fact, Lechmere & Paul simply told him of a woman either dead or drunk on Bucks Row (as was claimed) he would have failed in the first duty of a police officer - the protection of life."

And your answer didn't actually meet the point. You said "A drunk woman sparked out on the pavement might need help". That's different from the protection of life.

You also said a dead body would need to be officially dealt with. That, again, is different from the protection of life.

So perhaps I should repeat the question:

How would attending to a drunk woman in Bucks Row involve the protection of life? Or a dead woman for that matter!

Easy to answer that one.

Mizen was wanted by a policeman in Buck´s Row who was attacked by a drunk woman. He needed assistance.

So his life had to be protected.

[Herlock Sholmes]

>>I must admit that I've always been under the impression that 'knocking up' wasn't legit and that police officers were paid for it?<<

Difficult area, it was definately against police rules, but it seems that it did go on and some senior officers may have turned a, Nelson's, blind eye to it.

Cheers Dusty

[drstrange169]

>>In short, Mizen admitted that he did continue to knock up after speaking to Paul and Cross but only at one residence.<<

Exactly where that "one" residence was is something we don't know.

Cross claimed,

"He did not go towards Buck's-row to do this."

[drstrange169]

>>I must admit that I've always been under the impression that 'knocking up' wasn't legit and that police officers were paid for it?<<

Difficult area, it was definately against police rules, but it seems that it did go on and some senior officers may have turned a, Nelson's, blind eye to it.

[harry]

Any law enforcement officer on a beat had a responsibility to the citizens on his beat,in addition to his responsibilities as dictated by the police force.It was one reason police wore uniforms,to be easily recognisable as such,so that a member of the public,if there was a problem,could get help.In this case Mizen was responding to members of the public,not to his superiors.His decision to leave his beat therefor,in my opinion,means he (Mizen)believed he would not be in breach of duties if he responded by going to Buck Row.The only fault ,if there is one,is did Mizen delay longer than he should have.

[Herlock Sholmes]

If Cross/Paul said to Mizen, 'you are wanted in Bucks Row, a woman is lying either dead or drunk in the street', Constable Mizen may have thought they meant another constable wanted help. Whereas the two witnesses only meant his attention was wanted.
That being the case then Mizen may not have felt an urgency to get to Bucks Row, if another constable was already on the scene.

It all depends on what Mizen believed he was being told.

I did read somewhere that beat constables were often paid to knock people up for work, it wasn't done for free.

Hi Jon,

I must admit that I've always been under the impression that 'knocking up' wasn't legit and that police officers were paid for it?

Ive also suspected, though we have no way of knowing for sure, that if CL and Paul had said 'you're wanted in Bucks Row,' they could simply have meant 'your presence is required in Bucks Row.' Then Mizen on arriving there saw PC Neil then got a bit mixed up and thought that they'd said 'you're wanted by a Constable' when making his statement. It has to be a possibility at least.

[Joshua Rogan]

Can someone point me to the source(s) for Mizen continuing knocking up even after he was called? I can't find that, only his claims that he didn't continue doing that.

The source is chiefly the 'remarkable statement' given by Robert Paul to Lloyds Weekly 2nd Sept., in which he says that after he and Cross found the body;

"I was obliged to be punctual at my work, so I went on and told the other man I would send the first policeman I saw. I saw one in Church-row, just at the top of Buck's-row, who was going round calling people up, and I told him what I had seen, and I asked him to come, but he did not say whether he should come or not. He continued calling the people up, which I thought was a great shame, after I had told him the woman was dead."

[Wickerman]

If Cross/Paul said to Mizen, 'you are wanted in Bucks Row, a woman is lying either dead or drunk in the street', Constable Mizen may have thought they meant another constable wanted help. Whereas the two witnesses only meant his attention was wanted.
That being the case then Mizen may not have felt an urgency to get to Bucks Row, if another constable was already on the scene.

It all depends on what Mizen believed he was being told.

I did read somewhere that beat constables were often paid to knock people up for work, it wasn't done for free.

[David Orsam]

David, you must have picked more nits than a mangy chimpanzee. I'm not going to indulge you, sorry.

I never wanted to be "indulged". I asked a question of Bridewell back in 2014. This thread had died. Suddenly in 2017 you claimed to have answered my question but hadn't done so. I simply pointed out that you hadn't done so. I'm not the one nitpicking.

[Sam Flynn]

Yes, I know, and my question was in response to this statement:

David, you must have picked more nits than a mangy chimpanzee. I'm not going to indulge you, sorry.