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  • #16
    Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

    I think what Fiver is saying is that witness reports are notoriously unreliable and any A.I. relying on witness reports heavily will therefore not be reliable. Also it's worth noting that we don't know which or if any witnesses actually saw Jack. Also I don't know of any evidence that either Kosminski or Levy killed anyone or are we supposed to rely on unsound evidence or even supposition that they were violent?
    Exactly.

    "of shabby appearance, about 30 years of age and 5ft. 9in. in height, of fair complexion, having a small fair moustache, and wearing a red neckerchief and a cap with a peak." - Joseph Lawende, 2 October 1888 Times

    "age 30 ht. 5 ft. 7 or 8 in. comp. fair fair moustache, medium built, dress pepper & salt colour loose jacket, grey cloth cap with peak of same colour, reddish handkerchief tied in a knot, round neck, appearance of a sailor." - Joseph Lawende, 19 October 1888 Police Report

    "Age 30 to 35. Height 5ft. 7in., with brown hair and big moustache, dressed respectably. Wore a pea jacket, muffler and a cloth cap with a peak of the same material." - Joseph Lawende, 1889 Police Report

    [Coroner] What height was the man?
    [Levy] I should think he was three inches taller than the woman, who was, perhaps, 5ft high. I cannot give any further description of them.

    "Mr. Henry Harris, of the two gentlemen our representative interviewed, is the more communicative. He is of opinion that neither Mr. Levander nor Mr. Levy saw anything more than he did, and that was only the back of the man." - Evening News, 9 October 1888

    The Levy account contradicts Lawende. The Harris account contradicts Lawende. The Lawende accounts contradict each other.

    Lawende thought the woman was Eddowes. He could be wrong. Church Passage was not the only route into and out of Mitre Square.

    "The full picture always needs to be given. When this does not happen, we are left to make decisions on insufficient information." - Christer Holmgren

    "Unfortunately, when one becomes obsessed by a theory, truth and logic rarely matter." - Steven Blomer

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    • #17
      Technology advances and data surfaces all the time or there would be no exhausted efforts regarding the Maybrick diary or the DNA test of the supposed Eddowes shawl. Neither of which would be considered objective as a data source.

      HOLMES2 is much more than AI. That is just one capability in a System like this. What I found interesting in the Platform was the use of Serial killer data sets and the Geospatial aspect of it. The conclusions reached based on Scotland Yards definition that there are only 2 types of Serial killers in terms of location. Marauder or Commuter. They either live in the boundary or outside of it. What would be the third?

      Here again the analysis was based on the location of the murders. Fact. Objective.

      I personally do not know what SY used for data sets but I would no casually discount their access ( vs. Our access?) To more data sources.

      From my own perspective I found their outcomes useful because it raised more questions. Its not clear they have used any medical evidence to determine what skill may have been needed, if any which is also a possible outcome, in this case.

      To say there are no facts is categorically false. No one can predict the future. And you are entitled to your opinions.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
        No one can predict the future.
        But they can the past...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Geddy2112 View Post

          But they can the past...
          Yes it's called objective data. Facts. Cheers

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