Did Inspr Keaton have it taped?

[Sam Flynn]

Carried over from the Before it's too late discussion

Would someone mind giving me the scoop (or a link) on this tape? That's one JTR story I've not heard about yet... Maybe a new thread could be started.

Hi Brenda,

Here's a link to a discussion on Google cache., and Keaton gets discussed in Andrew Morrison's short but useful dissertation, available here on Casebook.

[Gideon Fell]

As they point out in the A to Z there is little doubt that the name stated by ex inspector Keaton was 'Dr Cream.' Keaton joined the Metropolitan Police in August 1891 before his twentieth birthday and years after the Ripper murders. The clincher appears to me to be the fact that Dr Thomas Neill Cream (an early established 'Ripper suspect' because of the hangman's tale of him saying "I'm Jack..." as he fell through the trapdoor) committed his murders by strychnine just after Keaton joined the force. On the tape Keaton added that his doctor suspect used strychnine. It really can't be anyone else.

[sdreid]

Thanks Sam. I thought that thread was a casualty. It would be nice to know exactly what he does say on that tape. The A-Z says it sounds like Cohn or Koch. That doesn't sound much like Cream but maybe that's what he meant but wasn't saying it quite right.

[Chris Scott]

Lewis Henry Keaton

Birth:
1870 Quarter 2
Lewis Henry Keaton
St Germans, Cornwall

Marriage:
1900 Quarter 2
Greenwich
Lewis Henry Keaton
married Eugenie McPherson

Census Records:
1871
Southdown Houses, Maker, Cornwall
Head: Joseph Keaton aged 34 born Gosport - Petty Officer, Royal Navy
Wife: Elizabeth Keaton aged 27 born Banstead
Children:
Joseph aged 2 born Stonehouse, Devon
Lewis aged 1 born Maker, Cornwall

1881:
23 Chapel Street, Alverstoke, Hampshire
Head: Joseph Keaton aged 44 born Gosport - Naval pensioner
Wife: Elizabeth Keaton aged 36 born Croydon
Children:
Joseph aged 12 born Stonehouse
Lewis aged 11 born Southdown, Cornwall
Edith aged 6 born Devonport
Edward aged 3 born Alverstoke
Frederick aged 10 months born Alverstoke

1891:
Leonard Road, Alverstoke, Hampshire
Head: Joseph Keaton aged 53 born Gosport - Dockyard labourer
Wife: Elizabeth Keaton aged 47 born Croydon
Children:
Lewis aged 21 born Millbrook, Cornwall - Ordnance store labourer
Frederick aged 10 born Gosport
Bertram aged 8 born Gosport
Laura aged 6 born Gosport
Mother in Law:
Mary Lewis aged 77 born Hastings

1901:
3 Austral Street, Southwark
Head: Louis (sic) Keaton aged 31 born Plymouth - Inspector of Police
Wife: Eugenie Keaton aged 31 born Poplar

Death:
1970 Quarter 4
Lewis Henry Keaton
Date of Birth: 19 March 1870
Registered in Devon

[sdreid]

Thanks Chris. He must have drawn a pension for about twice the length of time that he worked. I'll have to live to 107 to do that.

[Graham]

As they point out in the A to Z there is little doubt that the name stated by ex inspector Keaton was 'Dr Cream.' Keaton joined the Metropolitan Police in August 1891 before his twentieth birthday and years after the Ripper murders. The clincher appears to me to be the fact that Dr Thomas Neill Cream (an early established 'Ripper suspect' because of the hangman's tale of him saying "I'm Jack..." as he fell through the trapdoor) committed his murders by strychnine just after Keaton joined the force. On the tape Keaton added that his doctor suspect used strychnine. It really can't be anyone else.

Gideon,

As we all know Cream was in Joliet Prison, Illinois, at the crucial time. If he really did utter "I'm Jack...." as the trap was sprung, then that is what you might call chutzpah. However, we only have Hangman Billington's word for it.

If Keaton really did mean Cream on his taped interview, then that just reinforces my earlier statement that he hadn't a clue as to the identity of the Ripper. But even so, I'd sure like to see a transcript of that tape.

Cheers,

Graham

[perrymason]

I was wondering if the name Konrad, but not as a surname, might fit the bill.

Best regards all.