The Missing Policemen

[Phil Carter]

I know this isnt an exciting enough explaination for you, not Deep Throated enough, however these 'mass culls' did happen and are the most likely explanation as to why reports are missing.

Monty

Hello Neil,

This assumptive comment is infact incorrect. I do find it exciting enough. Your perception of my thoughts, although your opinion, is psychoanalitical. I didn't realise you could read minds. Don't give up the day job.

I think this is a very interesting story. As such, as my opening comment suggested, would indeed explain much.

Sadly, it is not more than that. An intersting tale told by an ex-policeman long after the supposed fact. However exciting I, you or anyone feels about it.

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Merely calling a spade a spade Phil,

Tis indeed an interesting story, and one pertinant to missing reports and statements.


Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hello Neil,

No, you are assuming and your judgement is incorrect. I just wrote..I DO find it "exciting enough"... your spades are rose coloured, me-thinks.

One thing that I would ask, as you yourself talked with the gentleman...

"A couple of these 'bundles' pertained to the Ripper investigation of 1888, he estimated the bundles to hold thousands of docs."

I presume that he had enough time to verify that these "thousands" all pertained to the WM, to recognise them all as such? Because the top 30 or 50 may have been glanced at.. yet the others under may pertain to the same year, era, or police station and other cases? That is also possible, no?

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Steady now Phil, your slip is showing.

I did discuss the details, and they were in docketed files. The files were dismantled and the leaves placed within.

Not that it matters. Destruction took place, end of. It matters not which case or how much, items were removed never to return.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hello Neil,

I am still smiling here. No acrimony. I would be EXTREMELY interested in knowing the detailed discussion, as I am sure we all would. I would also like to know when this happened if you could tell us?

No doubt after this experience you got on the blower pdq and rang the top man in the Leman St building too? Or any other still extant police station building?

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Im glad to hear that you are smiling Phil,

No doubt your interest in my story lays in the need to dismantle it. The conversation happened last week, the event happened many years ago and why would I be on the phone pdq?

Monty

[m_w_r]

Monty,

Come on old man. When things happen, they're because of hidden conspiracies, we all know that: you've just got to have the nose for them.

From one who really knows.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Neil,

And I thought I was suspicious!!!! Good grief, I never even thought of that!

Look, I am interested to hear a very intersting story. I am interested to hear it because , believe it or not, dismantling ISN'T... read carefully..ISN'T why I asked. I am extremely interested! I am sure we all are. This is something we know nothing about, is new, and unless within your closest circle, have never heard it. So please Neil, give the digs a break huh?

As regards pdq.. I can only speak for myself, that unless all the other local buildings were known to have been searched in the surrounding Met area already, I would do something sooner rather than later... logical, no?

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello Mark,

Taking the rise eh? Fail. Missed. No effect. Old hat. Boring.

best wishes

Phil

[Monty]

Phil,

Genuine interest? Come now, there was no genuine interest intially, just a swift a vielled allegation that the story was fabricated.

However, Ive noted you PM and taken it on board. Therefore heres the info passed on to me. The guy (and I wont say who as he hasnt released his permission) was based at Bethnal Green but moved to Commercial Street in the early 70s. It was then he states the records were destroyed. This ties in with the fact the station quit being operation in 1970.

As for contacting Leman Street, that would have been difficult for me as that too is not operational, I think before I was born.

Besides, as Ive stated, these docs were viewed as clutter and of no significance.

Mark,

Yes, I should have realised to most probable explanation isnt the most likely.

Monty

[Phil Carter]

Hello Neil,

I was the one who raised the possibility of masses of documents from the police on the first page that would be missing..therefore genuine interest.

Thanks for the info, appreciated. I know Leman St was closed operationally ages ago.. it was the buildings themselves that interest me. Whatever these buildings are now, although the chances are slim, one can only get a no by asking to visit the loft, cellar? I know from personal experience that taking over a building can reveal masses of things left and long forgotten about in lofts. Just my way of thinking. No stone unturned.

Thanks for taking note of my pm. Most appreciated.

best wishes

Phil

[The Good Michael]

Well... I've been following this banter and I'll just throw in my 2 Korean won:

What Monty's source tells him rings of absolute truth. Phil's ideas of some sort of expunging of incriminating materials (my words with apologies to Phil for the liberty) would be sensible if we were dealing with a modern removal of documents. My point is this: We armchair detectives and speculators can come up with tons of information in the wink of an eye and look at all documents and materials as something that should exist for our benefit. Why? Because we want it when we want it, and if it exists we make a few keystrokes and recall or find it.

When the data was destroyed, there was no easy access, so it was more than useless to the vast majority of people. If I may make a supposition: If there was regular traffic in and out of the records; a public need for such things; a steady demand, they wouldn't have been removed. There wasn't because folks didn't have the leisure time after work to simply logon to a website and look at stuff. Therefore, no one could be arsed (aside from the absolutely very few) to dig into records and demand that they be available for public use.

It's easy to dream up ideas of conspiracy. Yet, the reality is that there was a lot of accumulated junk that needed removal. It was removed. I've thrown out far more stuff than I've kept. I suspect police departments were no different before the advent of scanning, computer databases, and web archives.

Cheers,

Mike