Cutbush and Cutbush?

[Lewis C]

Is there a scenario whereby MacNagthen incorrectly believed that Cutbush was related to Chief Superintendent Cutbush?

Hence the bid to try and push Cutbush out of the limelight, by submitting a random list of (arguably) nonsense suspects?

IIRC correctly, Wolf's book about Cutbush makes that suggestion, that Mac's belief that the Cutbushes were related may have motivated him to defend Thomas.

For anyone interested in this book, its contents are posted in the other Ripper forum, or at least they were at one time.

[Herlock Sholmes]

IIRC correctly, Wolf's book about Cutbush makes that suggestion, that Mac's belief that the Cutbushes were related may have motivated him to defend Thomas.

For anyone interested in this book, its contents are posted in the other Ripper forum, or at least they were at one time.

It is Lewis.

https://www.jtrforums.com/forum/ripper-books/ripper-books-aa/ripper-non-fiction/27440-jack-the-myth-a-p-wolf#post27440

Sadly AP Wolf (real name Paul Webb) died in 2024 aged 73.

[Debra A]

According to Debra Arif, Chris Scott, Roger Palmer and Robert Linford (to name but four) they weren’t. That’s good enough for me Chris…I suspect that it will be good enough for you too.

Hi Herlock,

Extensive research showed that Charles Henry Cutbush and Thomas Hayne Cutbush were not related in any way at all. This was confirmed by an extensive family tree featuring generations of Thomas H Cutbush's family, drawn up for a legal inheritance case and preserved at the National Archives. I have a copy of it in my garage somewhere, it's huge in size!

Macnaghten was also mistaken when he wrote that Thomas's father was dead, we know that he had in fact deserted his wife and two sons and sailed to New Zealand where he married bigamously. The British press reported this fact in 1891 and also the Australian and New Zealand press were reporting in 1894 that "Jack the Ripper was thought to be the son of a New Zealand colonist" How could the papers, even the overseas ones get something right that Macnaghten got wrong in his account of Cutbush?

It was AP's belief that Thomas H Cutbush might be the illegitimate child of Charles Henry Cutbush but there is no evidence to support this or any reason to believe the two families even knew each other.

One thing that did come up in later research was that a relative of Cutbush's had business premises on Aldgate High Street, a couple of doors down from where Catherine Eddowes was arrested the night before the morning of her murder.

Just to pick up on something mentioned earlier in the thread that Charles Henry Cutbush's son may be the man in Cane Hill asylum in 1909- The Charles Cutbush in Cane Hill asylum actually died there in 1909 whereas I believe Charles Henry's son, Charles/Charlie Stokes, was alive well in to the mid 1900s.

[The Rookie Detective]

Hi Herlock,

Extensive research showed that Charles Henry Cutbush and Thomas Hayne Cutbush were not related in any way at all. This was confirmed by an extensive family tree featuring generations of Thomas H Cutbush's family, drawn up for a legal inheritance case and preserved at the National Archives. I have a copy of it in my garage somewhere, it's huge in size!

Macnaghten was also mistaken when he wrote that Thomas's father was dead, we know that he had in fact deserted his wife and two sons and sailed to New Zealand where he married bigamously. The British press reported this fact in 1891 and also the Australian and New Zealand press were reporting in 1894 that "Jack the Ripper was thought to be the son of a New Zealand colonist" How could the papers, even the overseas ones get something right that Macnaghten got wrong in his account of Cutbush?

It was AP's belief that Thomas H Cutbush might be the illegitimate child of Charles Henry Cutbush but there is no evidence to support this or any reason to believe the two families even knew each other.

One thing that did come up in later research was that a relative of Cutbush's had business premises on Aldgate High Street, a couple of doors down from where Catherine Eddowes was arrested the night before the morning of her murder.

Just to pick up on something mentioned earlier in the thread that Charles Henry Cutbush's son may be the man in Cane Hill asylum in 1909- The Charles Cutbush in Cane Hill asylum actually died there in 1909 whereas I believe Charles Henry's son, Charles/Charlie Stokes, was alive well in to the mid 1900s.

Exquisite, sublime and just another level entirely.

This is how to formulate a post.

Just brilliant!

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hi Herlock,

Extensive research showed that Charles Henry Cutbush and Thomas Hayne Cutbush were not related in any way at all. This was confirmed by an extensive family tree featuring generations of Thomas H Cutbush's family, drawn up for a legal inheritance case and preserved at the National Archives. I have a copy of it in my garage somewhere, it's huge in size!

Macnaghten was also mistaken when he wrote that Thomas's father was dead, we know that he had in fact deserted his wife and two sons and sailed to New Zealand where he married bigamously. The British press reported this fact in 1891 and also the Australian and New Zealand press were reporting in 1894 that "Jack the Ripper was thought to be the son of a New Zealand colonist" How could the papers, even the overseas ones get something right that Macnaghten got wrong in his account of Cutbush?

It was AP's belief that Thomas H Cutbush might be the illegitimate child of Charles Henry Cutbush but there is no evidence to support this or any reason to believe the two families even knew each other.

One thing that did come up in later research was that a relative of Cutbush's had business premises on Aldgate High Street, a couple of doors down from where Catherine Eddowes was arrested the night before the morning of her murder.

Just to pick up on something mentioned earlier in the thread that Charles Henry Cutbush's son may be the man in Cane Hill asylum in 1909- The Charles Cutbush in Cane Hill asylum actually died there in 1909 whereas I believe Charles Henry's son, Charles/Charlie Stokes, was alive well in to the mid 1900s.

Hi Debra,

Thinks for that information. Even after your excellent research I still couldn’t help wondering if there was some kind of difficult to trace familial link between the two that hadn’t been picked up on (you can tell that I’m not a genealogist) because I found it difficult to see how Mac could have made such an assumption. On reflection though perhaps it’s not so surprising - someone makes the error, Mac hears of it and it’s then assumed true and no big deal is made of it so it’s never questioned. We all know how something that isn’t true can become accepted until someone like you decides to check. No doubt next week I’ll be doubting this possible explanation.

Do you know what type of business his cousin had on Aldgate High Street? We know of two jobs that Thomas had but I’m assuming that there was no possible connection?