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  • Herlock Sholmes
    Commissioner
    • May 2017
    • 23239

    #1

    Cutbush and Cutbush?

    We know that Macnaghten, in his memorandum, stated that Supt. Charles Cutbush was the uncle of Thomas Hayne Cutbush. We now know that this isn’t the case. So how could this have happened?

    I realise that Macnaghten comes in for some heavy criticism from some quarters but how could he have made such an error? It would have been natural to ask if two people called Cutbush might be related but why would someone assume it? And surely when it came to possibly linking a colleague to someone like Thomas he would have wanted to be sure…then again, the memorandum wasn’t intended for public consumption of course. I can’t think of any reason why he would have knowingly made this incorrect link so how did he come to make this error?

    Herlock Sholmes

    ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”
  • The Rookie Detective
    Superintendent
    • Apr 2019
    • 2170

    #2
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    We know that Macnaghten, in his memorandum, stated that Supt. Charles Cutbush was the uncle of Thomas Hayne Cutbush. We now know that this isn’t the case. So how could this have happened?

    I realise that Macnaghten comes in for some heavy criticism from some quarters but how could he have made such an error? It would have been natural to ask if two people called Cutbush might be related but why would someone assume it? And surely when it came to possibly linking a colleague to someone like Thomas he would have wanted to be sure…then again, the memorandum wasn’t intended for public consumption of course. I can’t think of any reason why he would have knowingly made this incorrect link so how did he come to make this error?
    Has it been definitively proven that his uncle wasn't the police officer of the same distinctively rare surname?
    "Great minds, don't think alike"

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    • Tani
      Detective
      • Dec 2008
      • 243

      #3
      Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
      We know that Macnaghten, in his memorandum, stated that Supt. Charles Cutbush was the uncle of Thomas Hayne Cutbush. We now know that this isn’t the case. So how could this have happened?

      I realise that Macnaghten comes in for some heavy criticism from some quarters but how could he have made such an error? It would have been natural to ask if two people called Cutbush might be related but why would someone assume it? And surely when it came to possibly linking a colleague to someone like Thomas he would have wanted to be sure…then again, the memorandum wasn’t intended for public consumption of course. I can’t think of any reason why he would have knowingly made this incorrect link so how did he come to make this error?
      Sounds like a serious miscommunication.
      Horse doctor more like.

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      • Herlock Sholmes
        Commissioner
        • May 2017
        • 23239

        #4
        Originally posted by The Rookie Detective View Post

        Has it been definitively proven that his uncle wasn't the police officer of the same distinctively rare surname?
        According to Debra Arif, Chris Scott, Roger Palmer and Robert Linford (to name but four) they weren’t. That’s good enough for me Chris…I suspect that it will be good enough for you too.
        Herlock Sholmes

        ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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        • Herlock Sholmes
          Commissioner
          • May 2017
          • 23239

          #5
          Originally posted by Tani View Post

          Sounds like a serious miscommunication.
          I just find it a bit of strange one Tani. Maybe I’ll have a read round on the subject as it’s been a while.
          Herlock Sholmes

          ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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          • Lewis C
            Inspector
            • Dec 2022
            • 1349

            #6
            I'm glad you mentioned this Herlock, because I was under the impression that they were uncle and nephew. IIRC, A.P. Wolf thought so too. So I take it that not only were they not uncle and nephew, they weren't closely related at all, right?

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            • Herlock Sholmes
              Commissioner
              • May 2017
              • 23239

              #7
              No relationship between the two can established according to those I mentioned Lewis. I wouldn’t expect one of them to get it wrong so all four seals it for me.

              Two of them are sadly no longer with us. Debra occasionally posts but Roger is a regular so I don’t know if he’ll see the thread and would want to add something? I don’t know if it’s all possible that there might have been some connection between the two which the records don’t show (I’m not a genealogist)
              Herlock Sholmes

              ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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              • Herlock Sholmes
                Commissioner
                • May 2017
                • 23239

                #8
                I’ve just been told that another Charles Cutbush, who its believed was the son of Supt Cutbush, was incarcerated in Cane Hill Lunatic Asylum in 1908.
                Herlock Sholmes

                ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                • Lewis C
                  Inspector
                  • Dec 2022
                  • 1349

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                  No relationship between the two can established according to those I mentioned Lewis. I wouldn’t expect one of them to get it wrong so all four seals it for me.

                  Two of them are sadly no longer with us. Debra occasionally posts but Roger is a regular so I don’t know if he’ll see the thread and would want to add something? I don’t know if it’s all possible that there might have been some connection between the two which the records don’t show (I’m not a genealogist)
                  Thanks, Herlock.

                  It would have to be a fairly close relationship to be significant, close enough that they were aware of it at the time. They would have been distantly related, both probably having William the Conquerer and Alfred the Great as ancestors, and probably having a far closer relationship than what those common ancestries would indicate. Maybe for the purposes of this case, Macnaghten thinking that they were related is significant even though he was mistaken.

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