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    16th January 2006, 03:16 PM
    Supt Charles Henry Cutbush was in charge of lodging houses at the time of the murders. AP has found the following items, which Debra will kindly post.

    Robert

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    Debra A16th January 2006, 05:24 PM
    coming soon I promise!

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    Debra A16th January 2006, 06:09 PM
    98

    99



    100

    101



    102

    103

    done it at last!

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    robert16th January 2006, 06:24 PM
    Debs, did you do it? I can see P166 down to "demolished."

    robert

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    apwolf16th January 2006, 06:29 PM
    Thank you Debra and Robert
    All your efforts much appreciated.
    This extract is taken from ĎLeaves of a Life: being the reminiscences of Montagu Williamsí published in London and New York in 1890.
    What caught my attention is how the name of the official informant is blanked out, as is the reference to an investigation and murder.
    My thinking - which might be flawed I admit but nonetheless worth the effort - is that this might well be a very rare interview with dear old uncle Charles, Executive Superintendent Charles Henry Cutbush of the Executive Department of Scotland Yard and directly in charge of common lodging houses at the time of the interview.
    If it is Iíll treat myself to a brandy, if it isnít Iíll have two!

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    ellen16th January 2006, 07:11 PM
    Thanks, Debs for your work... But right now, I can only get the 2nd the 6 items. Not sure why, have tried to refresh and even close out the Casebook and reopen. Got any ideas what I need to do so my computer will show them?

    Ellen

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    ellen16th January 2006, 07:18 PM
    Dear AP,

    You continue to delight me will all the new items you come up with. I am reading your book (online, thanks to you) and am taking a considerable interest in the senior Cutbush. I meet so many 19th century characters I would never have gotten to know with Jack the Ripper and the East End Studies.

    Thanks again,
    Ellen

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    Debra A16th January 2006, 07:18 PM
    Sorry Ellen, I don't really know what you can do, you sound like you have the same problem as Robert though.
    I can see all the six images I posted, I am wondering if it is because I posted them!
    If anyone else can see all six let me know.( there are six because I split each page in two before Stephen expanded the upload sizes.)

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    apwolf16th January 2006, 07:50 PM
    Yes, Debra, I get all six images up no problem.
    Maybe Robert should try brandy?

    Thanks Ellen, for your positive comments, always welcome.

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    eddie16th January 2006, 08:08 PM
    Debra

    I can't see any of them. I'm not to good with computers. I'll wait and see if anyone knows what to do

    Yours Truly

    Werewolf

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    Natalie Severn16th January 2006, 08:41 PM
    Hi AP,
    Fascinated by this interview.The Victoria Home seems to have been a relatively respectable and well run place by the sound of it.
    The whole Cutbush saga is working currently for me.
    When I was posting on the Hanbury Street thread last night I was again reminded of the way the back yard of Hanbury Street with its fences on all sides, rather than any apparent ways out from that yard would have held no obstacles for the champion wall and fence vaulter ,Thomas Cutbush!Sounds unimportant but if you are that much of an athlete the risks taken seem slightly lessened.Thanks also Debra and Robert.
    Natalie

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    Debra A16th January 2006, 08:55 PM
    Hi Natalie, that means you can see the images too so that's good.
    I agree about the Victoria Home being strictly run, at least at the time the book was written in 1890, in fact in a later edition of the book AP found these in (1891), Montagu Williams actually lists the strict rules that were applied at the home although he gives it's name as 'Victoria House' it's address is given as the corner of Commercial and Wentworth Street.
    It says locking up time was 1am, I wonder if it was the same in 1888 when GH was staying there.
    Maybe I should post up those rules on a separate thread.

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    apwolf16th January 2006, 09:35 PM
    Yes, Natalie, the superhuman feats of Thomas Cutbush are of great interest, in that regard you will be pleased to hear that I have found an exhaustive study from the period in regard to lunatics - of the same age as Thomas and many with a similar background - which does show that such physical and mental agility was not at all unusual for this type of 'lunatic'.
    They were certainly fast on their feet, and quick with their 'half' wits.

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    Natalie Severn16th January 2006, 10:18 PM
    Thanks Debra-I would love to see the list of House Rules if thats possible.
    Ap,I dont believe Thomas was a half wit!I think he knew exactly how to play everybody off -mother and aunt were the ones at their wits end seeing him arrive back from his nightly "unaccounted for" absences covered in mud...mud?
    And dont forget the young couple in Camden Town who felt so sorry for this poor, distressed young man and fell for his story.Quite a plausible chap in certain situations.
    Not so charming though if you happened to be his doctor turning round and finding his knife at your throat or an elderly man who dared crack a bit of a joke at his expense and ended up left for dead at the bottom of a flight of stairs.
    Natalie


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    apwolf16th January 2006, 10:36 PM
    Quite right, Natalie
    we must never ignore the obvious.

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    rclack21st January 2006, 06:28 PM
    Hi all,

    The following extract and list is from "Dicken's Dictionary of London 1888".
    I think the list was posted on the previous boards but not the extract. The list is only of the Metroploitan Police area and so does not include Lodging Houses in the City Police area like 'Bullers' in New Street.

    LODGING HOUSES (COMMON)

    Every establishment of this kind throughout the metropolis is now under direct and continual police supervision; every room being inspected and measured before occupation, a placard being hung up in each stating the number of beds for which it is licensed, calculated upon the basis of a minimum allowance of space for each person. Every bed, moreover, has to be furnished weekly with a complete supply of fresh linen, whilst careful provision is made for the ventilation of the rooms, the windows of which are also thrown open throughout the house at 10 a.m.
    In its way there are few things more striking, than the comparative sweetness of these dormitories, even when crowded with tramps and thieves of the lowest class. The common sitting-rooms on the ground floor are not, it must be confessed, always equally above reproach. In all cases the men's and women's dormitories are separate; rooms devoted to married couples being partitioned off in the fashion of the old square-pewed churches, and into separate pens upon about the same scale. The mixed lodging-houses - or those at which both sexes are received - are comparatively few, the general practice being for each house to confine itself to one class. All have a common sitting-room on the ground floor, with a fire at which the lodgers can cook their victuals. In a few instances these supplies can be obtained in the house itself.
    About the best sample of this kind of establishment extant will be found at St. George's Chambers, St. George's Street, London Docks (vulgo, Ratcliff Highway), a thorough poor man's hotel, where a comfortable bed, with use of sitting-room, cooking apparatus and fire, and laundry accommodation (soap included) can be had for 4d. a night; all kinds of provisions being obtainable in the bar at proportionate rates. To anyone interested in the condition of the London poor, this establishment is well worth a journey to the East End to visit. On the other hand, the following is a list of streets or places in the metropolis in which common lodging houses of the lower class are situate:


    Police Division A


    Artillery Row, Westminster
    Dacre Street, Westminster
    Great Peter Street, Westminster
    Great Smith Street, Westminster
    Old Pye Street, Westminster
    St Ann Street, Westminster
    Strutton Ground, Westminster


    Police Division B


    Cheyne Row, Chelsea
    Church Street, Chelsea
    Kepple Street, Chelsea
    Lawrence Street, Chelsea
    Pimlico Road, Chelsea
    Turk's Row, Chelsea


    Police Division C


    Castle Street, St Martin's
    George Yard, St Anne's, Soho
    Litchfield Street, St Anne's, Soho
    St Martin's Street, St Martin's
    Whitcomb Street, St Martin's


    Police Division D


    Barrett's Court, St Marylebone
    Bell Street, St Marylebone
    Circus Street, St Marylebone
    Gee's Court, St Marylebone
    Little Grove Street, St Marylebone
    Molyneux Street, St Marylebone
    Whitfield Place, St Marylebone


    Police Division E


    Betterton Street, St Giles
    Black Horse Yard, St Giles
    Dyott Street, St Giles
    Kemble Street, St Giles
    Kennedy Court, St Giles
    Macklin Street, St Giles
    Maras Buildings, St Giles
    Newton Street, St Giles
    Parker Street, St Giles
    Queen Street, St Giles
    Short's Gardens, St Giles
    Fulwood's Rents, Holborn
    Took's Court, Holborn
    Charlotte Place, St Pancras
    Euston Road, St Pancras
    Market Street, St Pancras
    Tonbrige Street, St Pancras
    New Church Court, St Mary-le-Strand
    Drury Lane, St Clement Danes
    Gilbert Passage, St Clement Danes
    Holles Street, St Clement Danes
    Sardinia Street, St Clement Danes
    Vere Street, St Clement Danes
    Wych Street, St Clement Danes
    Hanover Court, St Martins
    Harvey's Buildings, St Martins
    Langley Court, St Martins
    Lumley Court, St Martins


    Police Division F


    Blenheim Crescent, Kensington
    Clarendon Road, Kensington
    High Street, Kensington
    Peel Street, Kensington
    Edgware Road, Paddington
    Queen's Road, Paddington


    Police Division G


    Banner Street, St Luke's
    Dufferin Street, St Luke's
    Golden Lane, St Luke's
    Great Arthur Street, St Luke's
    Greenarbour Court, St Luke's
    Middle Row, St Luke's
    New Court, St Luke's
    Twister Alley, St Luke's
    Brooke Street, Holborn
    Great Saffron Hill, Holborn
    Greville Street, Holborn
    Holborn Buildings, Holborn
    Portpool Lane, Holborn
    Vine Street, Holborn
    Clerkenwell Close, Clerkenwell
    Clerkenwell Green, Clerkenwell
    Cyrus Street, Clerkenwell
    Hermes Hill, Clerkenwell
    Pentonville Road, Clerkenwell
    Alexandra Buildings, Shoreditch
    Craven Street, Shoreditch
    Dunloe Street, Shoreditch
    Hoxton Street, Shoreditch
    Kingsland Road, Shoreditch
    Market Street, Shoreditch
    Scrutton Street, Shoreditch
    Cow Cross Street, St Sepulchre
    St John Street, St Sepulchre
    Gray's Inn Road, St Pancras
    York Road, Islington


    Police Division H


    Brick Lane, Christchurch
    Brushfield Street, Christchurch
    Dorset Street, Christchurch
    Flower and Dean Street, Christchurch
    George Street, Christchurch
    Hanbury Street, Christchurch
    Heneage Street, Christchurch
    Keate Street, Christchurch
    Mount Street, Christchurch
    Paternoster Row, Christchurch
    Pearl Street, Christchurch
    Princes Street, Christchurch
    Thrawl Street, Christchurch
    Wentworth Street, Christchurch
    Wheeler Street, Christchurch
    White's Row, Christchurch
    Church Street, Bethnal Green
    Nicoll's Row, Bethnal Green
    White Street, Bethnal Green
    Bull Street, Whitechapel
    Dock Street, Whitechapel
    Grace's Alley, Whitechapel
    Leman Street, Whitechapel
    Osborne Place, Whitechapel
    Well Street, Whitechapel
    Wellclose Square, Whitechapel
    Boundary Street, Shoreditch
    Hare Alley, Shoreditch
    Gun Street, Old Artillery Ground
    Cable Street, St George's-in-the-East
    Nort East Passage, St George's-in-the-East
    Pell Street, St George's-in-the-East
    Princess Square, St George's-in-the-East
    Ratcliff Street, St George's-in-the-East
    Ship Alley, St George's-in-the-East
    St George's Street, St George's-in-the-East
    Broad Street, Ratcliff
    London Street, Ratcliff
    Narrow Street, Ratcliff
    Stepney Causeway, Ratcliff
    Baroda Place, Shadwell
    Cable Street, Shadwell
    High Street, Shadwell
    King David's Lane, Shadwell
    Commercial Road, Mile End Old Town
    Greenfield Street, Mile End Old Town
    Lady Lake's Grove, Mile End Old Town
    Lucas Street, Mile End Old Town
    Turner Street, Mile End Old Town
    East Smithfield, Wapping
    St George's Street, Wapping
    Upper Well Alley, Wapping


    Police Division J

    Bethnal Green Road, Bethnal Green
    Globe Road, Bethnal Green
    Pritchard's Road, Bethnal Green
    High Street, Hackney
    Sylvester Road, Hackney
    Dunston Street, Shoreditch


    Police Division K


    St Ann Street, Limehouse
    West India Road, Limehouse
    Medland Street, Ratcliff
    Stepney Causeway, Ratcliff
    East India Dock Road, Poplar
    Emmet Street, Poplar
    Finch Street, Poplar
    High Street, Poplar
    Manchester Road, Poplar
    Pennifields, Poplar
    Bow Road, Bow
    Burdett Road, Bow
    Albert Road, North Woolwich


    Police Division L


    Broadwall, Christchurch
    Collingwood Street, Christchurch
    Great Charlotte Street, Christchurch
    Stamford Street, Christchurch
    Belvedere Road, Lambeth
    Broadwall, Lambeth
    Cox's Buildings, Lambeth
    Granby Place, Lambeth
    Hooper Street, Lambeth
    Kennington Road, Lambeth
    Lambeth Walk, Lambeth
    Paradise Street, Lambeth
    Tower Street, Lambeth
    Gray Street, St George's
    Webber Row, St George's
    Camberwell Road, Camberwell
    Princes Street, Newington
    Walworth Road, Newington


    Police Division M


    Collier's Rents, Southwark
    George Street, Southwark
    Harrow Street, Southwark
    Mint Street, Southwark
    Orange Street, Southwark
    Queen Street, Southwark
    Red Cross Square, Southwark
    Red Cross Street, Southwark
    Tabard Street, Southwark
    Union Street, Southwark
    Gravel Lane, Rotherhithe
    Princes Street, Rotherhithe
    Bermondsey Road, Bermondsey
    Long Walk, Bermondsey


    Police Division N


    Islington Green, Islington
    New North Road, Islington


    Police Division P


    Church Street, Camberwell
    Lordship Lane, Camberwell
    Meeting House Lane, Camberwell
    Old Kent Road, Camberwell
    Peckham High Street, Camberwell
    East Street, Newington
    Lewisham High Street, Lewisham
    Arpley Road, Battersea


    Police Division R


    Baildon Street, Deptford
    Church Street, Deptford
    Gove Street, Deptford
    Mill Lane, Deptford
    New King Street, Deptford
    Watergate Street, Deptford
    Canon Row, Woolwich
    High Street, Lower End, Woolwich
    Market Hill, Woolwich
    Nile Street, Woolwich
    Rope Yard Rails, Woolwich


    Police Division S


    Bank Buildings, Hampstead
    Brewhouse Lane, Hampstead
    Hampstead Road, Hampstead
    Holly Mount, Hampstead


    Police Division T


    Brook Green Place, Hammersmith
    King Street, Hammersmith
    Queen Street, Hammersmith
    Greyhounds Road, Fulham
    King's Road, Fulham
    Stamford Road, Fulham
    Gayford Road, Starch Green


    Police Division V


    Church Row, Wandsworth
    Grottan Road, Wandsworth
    Iron Mill Road, Wandsworth
    Princes Place, Wandsworth
    Clarence Terrace, Battersea
    High Street, Battersea
    Usk Road, Battersea


    Police Division W


    New Park Road, Lambeth
    Railton Road, Lambeth
    Vauxhall, Lambeth
    Wandsworth Road, Lambeth


    Police Division X


    Church Place, Chelsea
    Falcon Terrace, Chelsea
    Kensal Road, Chelsea
    Latimer Road, Hammersmith
    Norland Road, Hammersmith
    St Ann's Road, Hammersmith
    Bangor Street, Kensington
    Bramley Road, Kensington
    Clement Road, Kensington
    Crescent Street, Kensington
    Hesketh Place, Kensington
    Mary Place, Kensington
    Portobello Road, Kensington
    St Clement's Road, Kensington
    Walmer Road, Kensington
    Wormington Road, Kensington
    Clarendon Street, Paddington


    Police Division Y


    Gordon Place, Highgate
    Queensland Road, Holloway
    Eve Place, St Giles's
    Pancras Road, St Giles's
    Circus Road, St Pancras
    Harmood Street, St Pancras
    Litcham Road, St Pancras
    Pratt Street, St Pancras
    Prince of Wales' Road, St Pancras
    Rochford Street, St Pancras

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    robert21st January 2006, 06:43 PM
    Thanks very much for that, Rob.

    Robert

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    judyj22nd January 2006, 01:49 AM
    Hi

    If you are referring to the six text pages, I do see them all, however you threw me off when you said images, which I assumed were pictures.

    If not pictures, just text pages, Yes I see all six


    regards

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    Debra A22nd January 2006, 08:33 AM
    Hi Julie
    yes, when I said images I am referring to the images of the 6 pages of text, not pictures, glad you can see them anyway.

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    robert5th August 2006, 10:23 PM
    These two scans, which I've shrunk for Board reasons, were kindly supplied by Grey Hunter.

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    apwolf5th August 2006, 10:58 PM
    Nicely done, Robert, and my thanks to Grey for the fine images.
    Probably the only senior police officer in the entire history of the English police force who was signing documents involving the murder of women in which his nephew was a prime suspect.
    I kinda like that.

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    Natalie Severn5th August 2006, 11:30 PM
    Terrific....thanks to all for this but especially to Grey Hunter for allowing us sight of it
    Natalie

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    apwolf6th October 2006, 08:50 PM
    On the 8th October 1888 Charles Warren indicated to his superiors that he would be communicating with a supposed accomplice of the Whitechapel Murderer through the medium of classified advertising.
    On the 9th October 1888 the following appeared in the classified section of The Times:

    'Metropolitan Police - Found, about middle of August last, in Pimlico, a gold ring. Apply Superintendent Executive Branch, Great Scotland Yard.'

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    apwolf3rd February 2007, 04:18 PM
    I'm reposting this little clipping from 1896 concerning the death of Charles Henry Cutbush as it has just occured to me that the portrait photograph on the left might well be Charles Henry Cutbush; and that a copy of said photograph might be obtainable?

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    apwolf3rd February 2007, 04:25 PM
    Sorry, the clipping went west, hopefully it is here now:

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    robert3rd February 2007, 04:39 PM
    Hi AP

    If this is an article from the Morning Leader originally, then which newspaper is this? (We'd need to know that if we wanted to get at the picture)

    Robert

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    apwolf3rd February 2007, 06:26 PM
    To my shame, Robert, I have lost the original and now only have a photo copy, but I sourced it years ago from the Black Sheep Index, and there were only two reports on Charles Henry Cutbush.
    I have tried to access the site but I have problems with pdf files and can't get in there, but I'm quite sure the original reference to the newspaper concerned will come up if you get in there.
    Was it the 'Police Budget' or something like that?

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    robert3rd February 2007, 06:52 PM
    AP, no, it doesn't give the newspaper.

    I'm sure I remember you saying something about Liverpool, though whether that's the origin of the newspaper, or the location of the man who runs the site, I don't know.

    Robert

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    dannorder3rd February 2007, 09:43 PM
    From the placement of the photo and the article, my guess is that the image was illustrating some other article. From what we can tell from the snippit here, it looks like it would have taken up at least 2 columns width-wise, if not more. Typical page design of the time would lead me to believe it's meant to accompany the text two columns or more to the left and a bit up. It would be exceptional that an illustration for a short article in a third or later column would be that big and that far to the left.

    But, still, if you think you can turn the original up it'd be worth checking.

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    apwolf3rd February 2007, 10:09 PM
    god, I hate it when you are right Dan.
    I've just found the original document and the portrait is 'from a photograph by WH Horlington, South Shields' and is a portrait of Chief Inspector Patterson.
    So no Cutbush there.
    Well done Dan.
    I also note that in the original document the 'Jury returned a verdict of suicide whilst insane'.
    Well, at last, official confirmation that Executive Superintendent Cutbush of Scotland Yard was insane.

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    dannorder3rd February 2007, 10:26 PM
    Hi AP,

    It would have been remarkable for the conclusion in a suicide to be something other than insanity. I believe suicide was considered the sort of sin that would have prevented use of a typical burial plot, so verdicts routinely assumed that they were done in the midst of temporary insanity for the sake of reputation and so forth. That alone shouldn't be taken to mean that he expressed any insanity at any earlier point.

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    apwolf3rd February 2007, 10:55 PM
    Point taken Dan
    but the Catholics poisoning his drinking water does give cause for concern though.
    And was it normal for an 'executive' superintendent of Scotland Yard to carry a revolver?
    I've been reliably informed that Charles Henry Cutbush was a 'paper pusher' at the end of his career, so why the service pistol?

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    halomanuk20th February 2007, 01:45 PM
    Hi all ,

    Does anyone think that if Cutbush owned lodging houses,and as it has been mentioned before that Catharine Eddowes was attempting to meet the Ripper to blackmail him because she knew his identity,could this be the myterious 29 Aldgate High Street that some Ripperologists believe she was heading before she was arrested ??

    If so ,then maybe Supt Cuthbush knew more than he let on and Thomas Cutbush was there and ready to strike ?

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    robert20th February 2007, 02:39 PM
    Hi Barry

    Number 29 is a bit of a red herring, I'm afraid - see AP's post April 21st 2003.
    http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/5991.html (http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/5991.html)

    Robert

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    rjpalmer6th October 2007, 03:45 PM
    I'd be curious to know how many senior officers at the Met belonged to the "Protestant Truth Society." Anderson was a member. Was Cutbush?

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    Natalie Severn6th October 2007, 08:22 PM
    I'd be curious to know how many senior officers at the Met belonged to the "Protestant Truth Society." Anderson was a member. Was Cutbush?

    Since in his political life Anderson was often a total stranger to the truth - self-confessedly so, the Society"s title doesnt exactly inspire confidence in its credibility does it?



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    rjpalmer6th October 2007, 09:23 PM
    Natalie -- No, I suppose not. It's interesting, though. The man aim of the group appears to have been to combat 'ritualism' in the C of E and other Protestant sects. Up to, and including, storming church services. We know that Anderson belonged to the PTS, and Charles Cutbush seems to have been cut from the same cloth. Chief Inspector Littlechild, as mentioned in Evans and Rumbelow's new book, excluded Roman Catholics in a clause in his will. (One wonders, though, if he might have had a specific bloke in mind. He seems to have got on well enough with Inspector Melville, who was Catholic).

    I'm not sure how this would necessarily help our understanding of the Whitechapel Murders, except that there was a sort of general Imperial and Unionist attitude at Scotland Yard that might have coloured certain aspects of their investigation.

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    Natalie Severn6th October 2007, 11:10 PM
    Well it was certainly the case, RJ, that at least two senior policemen were dire enemies of the Irish cause:Sir Robert Anderson and Sir Melville Macnaghten. Sir Robert had been the Home Office expert on Fenians and the thwarting of Home Rule and had nominal charge of the Ripper investigation from October 6th 1888 and Macnaghten was an Orangeman and descended from one of the original Prentice boys of Derry according to Martin Fido.James Monro appears to have also been totally committed to anti Fenian activities as head of the secret Irish department and Supt.Charles Cutbush was reported in his orbituary to have harboured paranoid delusions about Catholics trying to poison his water supply.And they are just a few of the senior policemen-other such as Sir Charles Warren were committed Freemasons who have been linked historically with the Orange Lodges and we havent even begun yet to look closely at the politicians like Lord Randolph Churchill and Lord Salisbury who were fierce supporters of Unionism and the Orange men.
    Where it becomes intriguing from the point of view of the Whitechapel murders is Macnaghten"s reported belief that the Ripper was a leader of a plot to assassinate Mr Balfour at the Irish office.Why Balfour? Apparently he is supposed to be the originator of the Irish "shoot to kill" policy,apparently confirmed in a telegram sent by the Divisional Magistrate for Cork, reading," Deal very summarily with any organised resistance to lawful authority.If necessary do not hesitate to shoot".
    In this context James Monro"s following remarks in his personal memoirs give much pause for thought viz."The Fenians.....resolved to inaugerate a system of asssassination of eminent persons,Mr Balfour ,especially to be carried out by Irish men NOT Irish Americans.The agent chosen for this rascality was JS Walsh,a resident of Brooklyn and a well known ruffian who had been concerned with the Phoenix Park murder."
    Finally, James Monro regarded, "The whole affair of the Whitechapel murders of 1888 as a very[political] hot potato", a remark that has led to speculation about whether the Ripper was part of a plot to discredit and distract the British Police and politicians.
    If this were to be so, then I believe we may need to look as well,at whether the victims themselves had in anyway brought the Ripper"s wrath upon themselves----was Elizabeth Stride outside the IWEA as an "informer" [ the IWEA were sympathisers with the Irish Nationalist cause long before Michael Davitt became associated with Berner street"s political activities in 1891].Had Catherine Eddowes an "assignment" with the Ripper that day that led to her death?Was she too perhaps an informer?
    Best
    Natalie

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    Hello Rob, all,

    Excuse the bump up, but I noticed something in this list that may be of some significance...don't know.

    Og the Lodging Houses pertaining to the Met police H Division, the area break-down is as follows..

    Christchurch............ 16
    Bethnall Green......... 3
    Whitechapel............. 7
    Shoreditch............... 2
    Old Artillery Ground.. 1
    St. George's in the East.. 7
    Ratcliff..................... 4
    Shadwell.................. 4
    Mile End................... 5
    Wapping.................. 3

    Total........................ 52

    I made this list in reference to the visitation of police officers at the lodging house in Flower and Dean Street, Whitechapel, after the supposed "double murder" asking if they had a woman missing. That was after 2am according to witness testimony in the Eddowes case.

    Another point I ponder over, has anyone a list of any known lodging houses that would have come uder the jurisdiction of the City Police?

    best wishes

    Phil
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Phil Carter View Post
      Hello Rob, all,

      Excuse the bump up, but I noticed something in this list that may be of some significance...don't know.

      Og the Lodging Houses pertaining to the Met police H Division, the area break-down is as follows..

      Christchurch............ 16
      Bethnall Green......... 3
      Whitechapel............. 7
      Shoreditch............... 2
      Old Artillery Ground.. 1
      St. George's in the East.. 7
      Ratcliff..................... 4
      Shadwell.................. 4
      Mile End................... 5
      Wapping.................. 3

      Total........................ 52

      I made this list in reference to the visitation of police officers at the lodging house in Flower and Dean Street, Whitechapel, after the supposed "double murder" asking if they had a woman missing. That was after 2am according to witness testimony in the Eddowes case.

      Another point I ponder over, has anyone a list of any known lodging houses that would have come uder the jurisdiction of the City Police?

      best wishes

      Phil
      A bump up after 3 years or so...

      Has anyone any information of lodging houses within the City Police district?

      All those I have asked have said "no"...perhaps someone who is seeing this for the first time might know the answer?

      Many thanks



      Phil
      Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


      Justice for the 96 = achieved
      Accountability? ....

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