How Are The Mighty Fallen

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Jeff. I fail to see how Ally's post in any way, shape or form referenced the 'press conference' debate you're having with Nats. And why should Stewart bother to talk about any of this 'on camera'? He's on a message board for Christ's sake.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Anything Ally states is MUD.

I'm simply making an out in the open proposal

Pirate

[Natalie Severn]

Where is Paul ?

If Paul would like to come on board instead of Jeff, it might then be possible to have a reasonable conversation about how that chapter appears as very biased about Anderson.

[Stewart P Evans]

Nonsense

Are you claiming that Anderson did call a press conference?
I thought you guys were into FACTS.
However if Stewart wished to debate his claims out in the open, and on camera. That is something that I am happy to provide for you all.
So the ball now is back in the anti-Anderson camp
Do you want to discuss this in open or behind closed doors?
Jeff Leahy
Producer/Director

Whatever is this nonsense? This post makes it look as if I have claimed that Anderson called a press conference. I don't know what he is talking about.

I am happy to discuss any aspect of the case with anyone face to face, but you don't think I would ever 'perform' for you, do you? I don't need to debate any claims as I deal in facts and opinions that I may draw from them on occasion.

You seem out to stir up trouble. Fine I am now preparing a long post regarding a bad error by your 'hero' that affected other commentators and even resulted in a historian being in error as he was using his work as a source.

I didn't really want go there and get into all this as I shall have 'personal attack' and 'sour grapes' screamed at me - but you have asked for it. If you want war you have got it, the gloves are off.

[Jeff Leahy]

If Paul would like to come on board instead of Jeff, it might then be possible to have a reasonable conversation about how that chapter appears as very biased about Anderson.

Paul for his own reasons choses not to post on casebook.

He does post on JtRforums. But has not done so for some time due to ill health.

I see Paul regularly. Sometimes we discuss issues raised on casebook.

I asked Paul about your comments. He said "Anderson never gave a press conference'

He was correct in that comment

Yours Jeff

[Stewart P Evans]

A Lot

Anything Ally states is MUD.
I'm simply making an out in the open proposal
Pirate

You are going to have a lot to answer for laughing boy. In the past I have chosen not to mention the many errors contained in Paul's books and especially the A-Z. But I am sick to the teeth of your nonsense and although I have the greatest sympathy for Paul and his poor health (I'm not in the best of health myself either) I am, probably against my better judgement, going to start with the history of a gross error that has a long story and has infuriated more than one person that it misled.

[Jeff Leahy]

Whatever is this nonsense? This post makes it look as if I have claimed that Anderson called a press conference. I don't know what he is talking about.

Stewart, I have never claimed that you have. My debate has been with Norma alone.

I am happy to discuss any aspect of the case with anyone face to face, but you don't think I would ever 'perform' for you, do you? I don't need to debate any claims as I deal in facts and opinions that I may draw from them on occasion.

You seem out to stir up trouble. Fine I am now preparing a long post regarding a bad error by your 'hero' that affected other commentators and even resulted in a historian being in error as he was using his work as a source.

I didn't really want go there and get into all this as I shall have 'personal attack' and 'sour grapes' screamed at me - but you have asked for it. If you want war you have got it, the gloves are off.

I've given you an option of discussing this out in the open. I open that offer again.

Pirate

[Natalie Severn]

Where is Paul?

I knew you wanted to derail this thread about the way Anderson went public. It wont work Jeff.He went public it was the same thing.He found his house surrounded by journalists.The issue here is Anderson went public and he should not have!
And this thread is about people having so often been presented with a lot of hogwash and whitewash about Robert Anderson and yes, some of this happens to have been repeated in Paul"s book, "Jack the Ripper ,The Facts." We badly need the balance restored over Robert Anderson.

[Tom_Wescott]

I'm simply making an out in the open proposal

With the way you keep trying to get Stewart on camera, I'd say you're making an out of the closet proposal.

If you want war you have got it, the gloves are off.

I think he wants your shirt off.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

I knew you wanted to derail this thread about the way Anderson went public. It wont work Jeff.He went public it was the same thing.He found his house surrounded by journalists.The issue here is Anderson went public and he should not have!
And this thread is about people having so often been presented with a lot of hogwash and whitewash about Robert Anderson and yes, some of this happens to have been repeated in Paul"s book, "Jack the Ripper ,The Facts." We badly need the balance restored over Robert Anderson.

Norma, the point I was making was very simple. You were exaggerating the case against Anderson.

Anderson never called a ‘press conference’. It’s a small point I know, but demonstrates why I’m cautious of the claims being mad here against Anderson.

As I’ve pointed out on several occasions I am far from an Anderson fan. I’m completely on my family’s side, I am a Parnell.

The question at the heart here is: Would Anderson have lied in his claim about JtR, in his book?

There is a serious debate to be had on that subject and I am happy to hear all sides of that argument. There are differences of opinion between Begg and Evans, I simply find that interesting I’m not trying to give Stuart a heart attack far from it.

I’m interested in their reasoning. That’s it. And I’ve offered a platform other than casebook, should either choose to do so.

Your Pirate

[Stewart P Evans]

Documentary

...
There is a serious debate to be had on that subject and I am happy to hear all sides of that argument. There are differences of opinion between Begg and Evans, I simply find that interesting I’m not trying to give Stuart a heart attack far from it.
I’m interested in their reasoning. That’s it. And I’ve offered a platform other than casebook, should either choose to do so.
Your Pirate

You have been banging on about making the best documentary ever on Jack the Ripper for some time now. Please do not even begin to think that I would ever take part in it.

[Jeff Leahy]

You have been banging on about making the best documentary ever on Jack the Ripper for some time now. Please do not even begin to think that I would ever take part in it.

Stewart I have no interest in antagonizing or upsetting you. You have something completely wrong.

I’m aware that like Paul you have also been unwell.

My debate was specific and with Norma, who also happens to be a dear friend of mine.

Ripper debates by there nature are heated. I simply disagree with Norma on this subject. I love her to bits! and agree with her on many other issues.

On my part it is never personal. I hope she understands that?

I apologize if I have upset you and yes I will keep banging on about a possibility of a decent documentary, because it has never been done before.

Pirate

[Natalie Severn]

I think Jeff, that there is space on the casebook for you to have fun and a chat with people. But when Stewart Evans and others , including myself, are attemting to tackle a sensitive and difficult area like this , its most unfair for you to come on here, seemingly as Paul"s mouthpiece ,posting cheap jibes about things that have nothing to do with the subject matter of the thread and are often a complete digression---- such as suddenly announcing on a thread where Stewart has had a significant imput that "you prefer Paul"s work over Stewarts "or some such inappropriate remark .What sort of an off the wall comment was that?. Tackle the subject seriously and answer Stewart"s questions in a straightforward way or leave off, Jeff.
The way it looks is that all you are interested in is desperately trying to trash the thread -today by seizing on a minor error of mine, ok , it was an imprecise description of events at 39 Linden Gardens in April 1910.But it had nothing whatever to do with Stewart.What will it be your next attempt at derailment?.....

[Natalie Severn]

Just for the record:
Paul Begg is an author whose work, "Jack the Ripper, The Facts" I have greatly appreciated ,used many times over the years and very much admired---and still admire for its scope, its content and its wonderful detail. Like Stewart Evans"s and Keith Skinner"s "Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook", it is a masterpiece of its kind .My only quibble is over the chapter on Robert Anderson and the Kosminski suspect.

As Jeff says, when we meet we are great friends----I very much hope this doesnt leave us all bad friends and I do apologise if any bad feelings have arisen that may have had anything to do with my imput,
Norma

[Jeff Leahy]

OK lets keep thrashing this out!

I think Jeff, that there is space on the casebook for you to have fun and a chat with people. But when Stewart Evans and others , including myself, are attemting to tackle a sensitive and difficult area like this , its most unfair for you to come on here, seemingly as Paul"s mouthpiece ,posting cheap jibes about things that have nothing to do with the subject matter of the thread and are often a complete digression---- such as suddenly announcing on a thread where Stewart has had a significant imput that "you prefer Paul"s work over Stewarts

Bollocks. Please show and demonstrate where I have said this?

This is precisely the sort of unsubstanciated comment that has gotten you in this mess. I have made NO such claim!

"or some such inappropriate remark .What sort of an off the wall comment was that?. Tackle the subject seriously and answer Stewart"s questions in a straightforward way or leave off, Jeff.
The way it looks is that all you are interested in is desperately trying to trash the thread -today by seizing on a minor error of mine, ok , it was an imprecise description of events at 39 Linden Gardens in April 1910.But it had nothing whatever to do with Stewart.What will it be your next attempt at derailment?.....

Norma you made a mistake. Own it. And Apologize. Its that simple.

I have made a very simple set of claims all of which are factually correct.

Begg has never said 'Anderson could not lie'. FACT.

There is a serious debate to be had about Anderson? I agree

I just worry about some of the unsubstantiated claims being made by this newly formed anti-Anderson camp.

Thats it really. Apart from the fact that I have offered a platform to discuss those different theories? Perhaps it could simply be streamed on Utube? it wouldn't have any interest for TV projects, to detailed. My offer was simply out of interest and respect for the subject.

Pirate

[Jeff Leahy]

Just for the record:
Paul Begg is an author whose work, "Jack the Ripper, The Facts" I have greatly appreciated ,used many times over the years and very much admired---and still admire for its scope, its content and its wonderful detail. Like Stewart Evans"s and Keith Skinner"s "Ultimate Jack the Ripper Sourcebook", it is a masterpiece of its kind .My only quibble is over the chapter on Robert Anderson and the Kosminski suspect.

As Jeff says, when we meet we are great friends----I very much hope this doesnt leave us all bad friends and I do apologise if any bad feelings have arisen that may have had anything to do with my imput,
Norma

Hay, it took me 2 hrs to actually start the boat today. Bloody diesel engines.

But you are more than welcome here in Kent Norma. As you all are. And with your family I'd love to see you.

You see no matter how much we all argue, the only people who want to listen are the people on casebook and JtRforums. The rest of the world, as you have probably all experienced, couldnt give a damn.

And thats why I love you all and would welcome you all, yes even Ally Ryder, with open arms. Because i am passionate about this subject.

Pirate