Anderson - More Questions Than Answers

[Monty]

As a reason why the witness refused to give evidence?

No, he doesnt.

Monty

[Jeff Leahy]

He does indeed.

nothings ever quite black and white in this case.

Pirate

[Monty]

And if the suspect was locked in an asylum before they could reach a decision or bring the case to court it was out of their hands anyway.

Yet Anderson doesnt state that. He gives us a differing reason.

Monty

[Jeff Leahy]

And if the suspect was locked in an asylum before they could reach a decision or bring the case to court it was out of their hands anyway.

I agree that Anderson must have known the law however, he may have been many things, but stupid wasn’t one of them.

Pirate

[Monty]

No, the point is if procedure was adhered too along with the law, the witness would have no say in the matter on testifying against the suspect should the case get to court.

They would have been summonsed and expected to tell the truth.

Therefore Anderson stating that the witness refused to give evidence against the suspect may be so however, as a barrister, he must have known that it didnt matter what the witnessed wished. Law dictates that they would have to provide this evidence if required.

So this 'Im not testifying against him cos he is a fellow Jew' doesnt wash in the eyes of British law. Its an extremely weak reason and one I question.

I find it hard to understand why procedure wasnt adhered to...if the event did happen that is.

Monty

[Jeff Leahy]

Surely the whole point is that but turned on its head..

He’s a fellow jew and therefore doent wish to be rejected in his world. Or out cast by family and friends.

Wasn’t the whole reason about NOT wanting to be rejected by his peers not the other way around?

Pirate

[Howard Brown]

Neil and Jeff:

No doubt that the prison system in 1888 was different than in 2009...but even less likely reasons for someone being willing to go to jail in this case are...

1. Notoriety for being the man who refused to identify JTR. I can easily envision the jailer making a point of letting the other inmates know why this reluctant witness was in there with them. By the way, lights out at 10,Mr. Lawende.......and all us guards go home at 11....pleasant dreams.

2. Damage to one's reputation, if said witness had one worth praservin'...and Mr. Lawende seemed to be such a mensch... worthy of respect.

I don't see any way someone would take an idealistic bullet like these two above for someone.... who the public...and the witness himself... did not know back in 1888 apparently focused on prostitutes or women out and about at those hours, if not specifically prosses. At the time, every woman was under threat.

[Monty]

1888 prison aint no 2009 holiday camp prison Jeff.

Besides, you missed the point.

Monty

[Jeff Leahy]

Point like he’d be willing to face seven days in jail

Hardly a deterrent

Pirate

[Natalie Severn]

Point noted.Thanks for that Monty.
Nats
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[Monty]

Point of fact

Aplogies if this has been mentioned.

A witness summons may be granted by a Justice on an oath or affirmation that the person concerned is likely to give material evidence and will not voluntarily appear to be examined as a witness in the case (SJ Act, 1848 s.7 and Indictable Offences Act 1848 s.16)

Failing to attend or refuses to answer questions may result in a prison comittal up to 7 days, as per the SJ Act 1848 s.7 & IO Act 1848 s.16.

This is in relation to Andersons witness.

Basically the refusal to give evidence is tosh.

Monty
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[Jeff Leahy]

RJ,

Quite simply, it isn't even worth bothering to pay attention to the bizarre things you say to correct you, because the time when people might accidentally treat what you say seriously is over. I'm adding you to my ignore list so I won't even see your nonsense any more.

I'm off to bed now, but you've got to love this man, havnt you? I wonder just how many people he will have on his 'ignore' list before he wakes up one morning and realizes that no one gives a damn what he thinks and he's completely isolated.

'THE NORDER', Captain Mannering, Truely bizarre

Pirate

[Jeff Leahy]

Mad Week

Hi Everyone

This is just a very quick post to welcome Lyn aboard and thank her for advice etc, over the last few months. I have started a post at some length over the last three days but matters arising keep taking over on other threads/research, and I cant get it right. Need a little time.

I am taking everything on board. I trust you will bear with me while I get things together.

Pirate

[rjpalmer]

RJP, seeing you poked your nose in the door... question for you.
Seeing that not a single senior police officer had a clue up till 1890, but suddenly in 1891 they all thought they knew, do you feel - from a timeline point of view - that this sudden knowledge was provided by Kosminski, or Thomas Cutbush?

APW - I don’t agree that the extant historical record reflects that ‘not a senior police office had a clue up till 1890.’ I thought I already made that clear.

To the contrary, what I think it really reflects is that Anderson, Swanson, and Macnaghten used the investigations of 1890/1891 to revise and rewrite the history of what happened in 1888...and it doesn’t fly.

It’s pretty obvious, for instance, that they tried their damnest to fix-up Sadler for the 1888 crimes, but failed because he was out of the country. And since there was no way in heck that forensic evidence could link Kozminski, Sadler, or Cutbush to the events of 1888, in trying to pin the crimes on those blokes they were, at best, engaging in retrospective thinking and speculation. Druitt is a more complex problem, but I think Mr. Ruffels is spot on: the chief purpose of Anderson and Macnaghten was to engage in apologetics.

O, and now that Norder has rushed off in a pompous huff at the ‘wild’ and ‘outrageous’ fact that someone would dare challenge the lustmord dogma, the brandy is on me. I think I’ll start a new thread in to toast his highness.

RP

[Natalie Severn]

Thanks Lyn,
Again,I find your information really helpful.I will respond more fully later when
I have had time to mull over the hospital notes on Kosminski again.I think I remember he took to using his mother tongue when he was going through an unsettled and excitable phase.
Best Wishes
Norma