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  • Simon Wood
    Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 5552

    #31
    Hi Lynn,

    Y Division was Highgate, main police station Kentish Town.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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    • lynn cates
      Commisioner
      • Aug 2009
      • 13841

      #32
      thanks

      Hello Simon. Thanks. Thought that Cracknell, Y division, was sent to watch Isenschmidt.

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • mklhawley
        Chief Inspector
        • Nov 2009
        • 1904

        #33
        Thank you so much for this Lynn. This is nothing less than awesome!

        Sincerely,

        Mike
        The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
        http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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        • lynn cates
          Commisioner
          • Aug 2009
          • 13841

          #34
          more to follow

          Hello Mike. Entirely welcome!

          Later, I will get to the long dynamite story.

          Cheers.
          LC

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          • mklhawley
            Chief Inspector
            • Nov 2009
            • 1904

            #35
            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
            Cheers.
            LC
            Now, this article states (post # 22) that Abberline is an ex-inspector who assisted Inspector Froest in an arrest. Abberline was working for the Pinkertons at this time. Incidentally, Froest was one of the detectives named on Tumblety's Marlborough Court charge sheet.

            Mike
            Last edited by mklhawley; 03-23-2012, 07:50 PM.
            The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
            http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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            • lynn cates
              Commisioner
              • Aug 2009
              • 13841

              #36
              mistake?

              Hello Mike. Well spotted.

              There is also a clipping from about 1873 in which he is an inspector, but another from 1878, in which he is a serjeant. Wonder if that's a mistake?

              Cheers.
              LC

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              • mklhawley
                Chief Inspector
                • Nov 2009
                • 1904

                #37
                I believe he was promoted to inspector in 1873, so my bet is the 1878 article made the mistake.
                The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                • Simon Wood
                  Commissioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 5552

                  #38
                  Hi All,

                  When Abberline was assisting Froest in 1898 his employer was Littlechild, who ran the London branch of Pinkertons.

                  Another Littlechild employee was ex-Superintendent John Shore.

                  They were all chums together.

                  Regards,

                  Simon
                  Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                  • mklhawley
                    Chief Inspector
                    • Nov 2009
                    • 1904

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                    Hi All,

                    When Abberline was assisting Froest in 1898 his employer was Littlechild, who ran the London branch of Pinkertons.

                    Another Littlechild employee was ex-Superintendent John Shore.

                    They were all chums together.

                    Regards,

                    Simon
                    I remember David Williams, who wrote a book on the Pinkertons, called William Pinkerton an Anglophile. A London branch would have been the perfect excuse to wear his cockney hat!
                    Mike
                    The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
                    http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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                    • Simon Wood
                      Commissioner
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 5552

                      #40
                      Hi Mike,

                      The Pinkerton's origins were Scottish.

                      Surely Willie would have been wanting to wear a Tam O'Shanter?

                      Lynn Cates will set us straight about such arcane matters.

                      Regards,

                      Simon
                      Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                      • lynn cates
                        Commisioner
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 13841

                        #41
                        cosy

                        Hello Simon.

                        "When Abberline was assisting Froest in 1898 his employer was Littlechild, who ran the London branch of Pinkertons.

                        Another Littlechild employee was ex-Superintendent John Shore.

                        They were all chums together."

                        Sounds rather cosy.

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • Simon Wood
                          Commissioner
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 5552

                          #42
                          Hi Lynn,

                          Cosy?

                          I'm amazed Pinkertons didn't have an office in New Scotland Yard.

                          Regards,

                          Simon
                          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                          • Bridewell
                            Commissioner
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 4039

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                            Hi Lynn,

                            Cosy?

                            I'm amazed Pinkertons didn't have an office in New Scotland Yard.

                            Regards,

                            Simon
                            How would we know if they did have? How do we know that they didn't?!
                            I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.

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                            • lynn cates
                              Commisioner
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 13841

                              #44
                              heh-heh

                              Hello Simon.

                              "I'm amazed Pinkertons didn't have an office in New Scotland Yard."

                              Hmm, food for thought, heh-heh.

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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                              • lynn cates
                                Commisioner
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 13841

                                #45
                                the old department

                                Hello Bridewell.

                                "How would we know if they did have? How do we know that they didn't?!"

                                'Ere now. And I thought you were an ex-copper? Heh-heh.

                                Cheers.
                                LC

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