Abberline, Integrity and The Cleveland Street Scandal

[Stephen Thomas]

Here's the PBS Crippen documentary

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/video-chapters/executed-in-error-chapter-2

[bkohatl]

There was no justice today!

I have heard and verified that "In December 2009 the Criminal Cases Review Commission, having reviewed the case, declared that the court of appeal will not hear the case to pardon Crippen posthumously." Wikipedia
I want this Commission to explain who the woman was who lived with Cora's sister and listed her name as Cora's stage name Belle Elmore for the 1920 Census.
I know that they can't and won't. But anyone interested in Justice would demand that that question be answered. Someone interested in Law and Order wouldn't care.
I remember that those who have defended Richard III have always claimed that to believe that King Richard III was the monster that Shakespeare and the Tudors portray him as having been that everyone who knew him before his brother, Edward IV, died was 100% wrong about him. They are almost unanimous in their praise of his courage and character. Second to believe Shakespeare, you also have to believe that the real monster in the War of the Roses was Elizabeth Woodville. The Woodvilles were a real threat to Richard and his supporters, but over and over again he may have countered their actions, depending on circumstance. But his actions seem decent and restrained in every sense except life and death situations. Then why would Elizabeth allow her son Richard to go to the Tower to be with Edward V. She either believed Richard was a decent man who wouldn't harm his nephews or she was a monster.
Contemporary evidence is that Elizabeth couldn't stand Henry VII. As Josephine Tey indicated, once Richard was annoited King and Edward and Richard were declared illegitimate, they were no longer a threat to him. But they were a threat to the two great conspirators Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham(who wanted to be King too) and Henry Tudor, later King. There is some evidence that the Henry's were in communications(like Henry and the Stanleys) with each other. Killing Richard didn't make either one of them King, it made Edward V King, but murdering Richard III, Edward V and Richard Duke of York made the way clear to these two ambitious men.
I remember that James Conley later confessed to his girlfriend that he had murdered Mary Phagan alone. That Leo Frank was innocent. He was just lucky that White Southerners hated Jews more than they hated N******.
Now to learn that the police knew that Steven Truscott told the truth the day of Lynne Harper's murder. He was seen giving Lynne a ride on his bicycle and returning without her 5 minutes later. He dropped her off on the opposite side of the bridge from she was murdered. The Canadian Broadcasting Company deserves unqualified praise for documenting his innocence and even coming up with a very real suspect who attempted suicide right after Lynne's murder.
I wish someone would Cora's grave stateside and then we could exhume her remains so we could put this matter to rest and Dr. Crippen would get the justice he was denied in life.
I should tell you that her family folklore is that she came back to the states and that she was alive and well.

[Chris]

I want this Commission to explain who the woman was who lived with Cora's sister and listed her name as Cora's stage name Belle Elmore for the 1920 Census.

Actually, the woman in the census was called Belle Rose, not Belle Elmore.

As I've already pointed out, she was not living with Cora's sister. There's nothing to connect her with Cora. All the evidence is discussed very fully in the thread I referred you to before.

[Debra A]

I missed this thread the first time around.
Thanks Chris and Robert.

bkohatl, as Chris has already pointed you to the relevant thread discussing the research on 'Belle Rose' by myself, Jonathon Menges and others twice now, I can't really add anything more to the discussion. Everything was documented and presented by us and put up for discussion on the boards.

What particular aspect of the research do you have a problem with?

[miss marple]

bkohati.
The census entry is posted on this site!! if you bothered to look. Belle Rosa a young JEWISH [ not catholic] HAT DESIGNER worked in A MILLINARY. Nothing to do with Cora. Thousands of immigrants were flooding into New York at the time living in overcrowded tenements.
You appear to know nothing about CRIPPEN his life or his motives or CORA
There are no body parts left only a slide of skin.
Crippen was as guilty as he,ll every action he took after the night in january 31st CORA disappeared expresses his guilt, and I suspect Ethel knew, but not straight away. 31st jan was also the day his payments from Munyans came to an end. They stopped employing him in nov. He was a desperate broke man, with his mistress on his back.
To suggest that Dew planted body parts is nonsensical and shows an ignorance of policing then. The stone flagged floor had to be lifted at dug by several man, the stench. was overwhelming.
The circumstantial evidence connecting Crippen to Cora's murder is comprehensive, there is not a loose connection anywhere, if you bothered to understand the case properly. Instead of insulting researchers far more knowledegable than you,
I am sick of this drival about Crippen's innocence. Just because he was a mild mannered man, who was good to his mistress, that does not mean he was not also a calculating murderer.
Miss Marple

[belinda]

Was it proven beyond a doubt that the remains were in fact male? It seems like I remember someone saying that had been disbunked also.

No this has not been "debunked"

[bkohatl]

A Patsy's Story

No this has not been "debunked"

J Edgar Hoover swore that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. That nobody connected with the CIA was connected to him. And Jim Garrison was CRAZY for saying that Oswald was a Patsy and/or a member of the CIA.
We now that Lee Harvey Oswald knew CIA Operative David Ferrie from the time he was 15. Ferrie was an adult counselor for Oswald's Civilian Air Patrol Troop. Clay Shaw was also a member of the CIA.
Well, we have a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald with David Ferrie when he was 15 at a campout with several other boys of the Troop.
We also have several Anti-Castro Cubans at the campout. Cubans who were being trained by the CIA.
Question Mrs. Crippen was trying to fly under the radar, would she have lied about her religion?
Would she, in fact, try to create a new identity and use a new religion.

The reason I came here was that information appeared in the press that the CIA helped Nazi Gestapo, SS and others flee Germany after the war. These were not Werner Von Braun Germans, these were the War Criminals.
There is a huge difference between the Thin Blue Line and The Blue Wall. It is the difference between right and wrong.
Josephine Tey was right Truth is the Daughter of Time, but some people don't want to listen.