Why not always indoors?

[Trevor Marriott]

The two don't go together. That's ordinarily the case.

However this isn't ordinary. What would it look like if someone with medical/anatomical knowledge was a lust murderer with a knife?

Answer:JtR

You are missing the point, and who mentioned a lust killer ?

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[Batman]

The forensic psychology of JtR is that he was a lust killer because he met the parameters. Associate Professors of Criminology publish a lot on these.

[Trevor Marriott]

The forensic psychology of JtR is that he was a lust killer because he met the parameters. Associate Professors of Criminology publish a lot on these.

But we do not know if there were one or more killers, so how can you sit down and make such an analysis ?

I think you will find that there are other categories to which he might also fit ?

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[Batman]

But we do not know if there were one or more killers, so how can you sit down and make such an analysis ?

I think you will find that there are other categories to which he might also fit ?

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The deviations between the crimes of the canonical ripper victims is much smaller and slighter than those of many other serial killers that fit this type and have since been apprehended as the single person responsible. The multiple killer view is the much lower probability view.

What you have to show are examples of more than one lust killer operating in the same small area at the time with the same or similar MO, i.e - a contemporary local copycat. Even copycats that try this rarely have such minor deviations and are plainly obvious and not remotely likely the complaints we hear about the JtR victims which are nothing more than deviations due to time pressures and the murderers confidence levels which has already been demonstrated numerious times to be Directly Correlated and Proportional!

[Trevor Marriott]

The deviations between the crimes of the canonical ripper victims is much smaller and slighter than those of many other serial killers that fit this type and have since been apprehended as the single person responsible. The multiple killer view is the much lower probability view.

What you have to show are examples of more than one lust killer operating in the same small area at the time with the same or similar MO, i.e - a contemporary local copycat. Even copycats that try this rarely have such minor deviations and are plainly obvious and not remotely likely the complaints we hear about the JtR victims which are nothing more than deviations due to time pressures and the murderers confidence levels which has already been demonstrated numerious times to be Directly Correlated and Proportional!

So more than one killer operating in the same area killing in simliar fashion blows you theory out of the water does not ?

[Batman]

No. People can kill during crime sprees with the same MO.

What you need to show is a copycat lust killer operating at the same time and place as the person they are copying.

[Trevor Marriott]

No. People can kill during crime sprees with the same MO.

What you need to show is a copycat lust killer operating at the same time and place as the person they are copying.

But it is quite clear that all the murders were not committed by the same hand, and not necessary by a copy cat either !

[Michael W Richards]

But it is quite clear that all the murders were not committed by the same hand, and not necessary by a copy cat either !

Evidently Trevor it is still not clear to many despite the ample evidence that is the case. I think a lot of people like having a Boogeyman so that they don't have to consider that everyday ordinary people commit atrocities too.

Maybe it helps them believe that they are immune to a temporary kind of madness...which in itself, is madness.

Cheers

[Harry D]

Evidently Trevor it is still not clear to many despite the ample evidence that is the case. I think a lot of people like having a Boogeyman so that they don't have to consider that everyday ordinary people commit atrocities too.

Yes, that'll be it. Nothing to do with the fact that contemporary police believed they were dealing with a serial killer, despite having access to the same "ample evidence" you speak of. And of course the improbability of multiple slashers treading on each other's toes in a small, localized area.

[Michael W Richards]

Yes, that'll be it. Nothing to do with the fact that contemporary police believed they were dealing with a serial killer, despite having access to the same "ample evidence" you speak of. And of course the improbability of multiple slashers treading on each other's toes in a small, localized area.

Question: How many victims were in the unsolved murder file for the period when this Ripper fellow was thought to be about?
Answer: Well, Its certainly more than just 5. Its more than 10 and less than 15 by the by.
Question: How many involved knife attacks?
Answer: I believe it was almost all of them.
Question: Was there any connection offered by officials between the assumed Canonical Group Killer and the person who was making Torso's before and during that 2 1/2 month period?
Answer: No

That's your evidence Harry..its not only obvious by the wounds made on the Canonicals but also by the size and nature of the Unsolved murders file of the period. Its not debatable, no matter how you and others believe...there were other killers than this mythical Jack fellow killing women in and around that area at the same time....the idea that every murderous act was suddenly suspended so that a single individual could have the streets to himself isn't just an odd idea...its ludicrous.

There were ample amounts of men that could and did kill in that area, at that time. Again, Not debatable.

Cheers

[RockySullivan]

If Richardson was an accomplice would he have been sitting on the step holding the knife while the ripper searched the body and took organs? The real question that no one seems to have answer for is why was a richardson allowed to leave work on an hour and so after he arrived to go see a murder victim when he had no idea it was in his mothers yard?

This was meant for the richardson thread sorry I'm an idiot

[Batman]

Well I think to forward the multi hypothesis requires examples of the kind.

[Harry D]

Question: How many victims were in the unsolved murder file for the period when this Ripper fellow was thought to be about?
Answer: Well, Its certainly more than just 5. Its more than 10 and less than 15 by the by.
Question: How many involved knife attacks?
Answer: I believe it was almost all of them.
Question: Was there any connection offered by officials between the assumed Canonical Group Killer and the person who was making Torso's before and during that 2 1/2 month period?
Answer: No

That's your evidence Harry..its not only obvious by the wounds made on the Canonicals but also by the size and nature of the Unsolved murders file of the period. Its not debatable, no matter how you and others believe...there were other killers than this mythical Jack fellow killing women in and around that area at the same time....the idea that every murderous act was suddenly suspended so that a single individual could have the streets to himself isn't just an odd idea...its ludicrous.

There were ample amounts of men that could and did kill in that area, at that time. Again, Not debatable.

Cheers

The policemen working on the case believed in a serial killer known as 'Jack the Ripper', even if they quibbled over the total number of victims. e.g. Macnaghten believed in five victims, Robert Anderson believed there were six. Like I said, they had access to all the "ample evidence" we have and more. What do you think led them to draw those conclusions, Michael?

[RockySullivan]

I think the time frame indicates Tabram & Emma smith could be ripper victims. What's more, the whitehall torso had pieces of the aug 24 newspaper on top of it. The date the Tabram inquests conclusion was printed. Probably an indicator Torso & Tabrams killer were one and the same. If not what else would it mean?

[Wickerman]

No police official shared his personal suspicions about any particular suspect at the time of the murders.
Except, perhaps Anderson, in late October when he wrote "..without our having the slightest clue".

Memoirs do not always reflect reality.