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    Fishmans book East End 1888 paints an interesting picture of unequal justice relative to crimes. For example assault appears to have less impact than theft? Property more valuable than the human. While the Jewish leadership proclaimed no Jew would mutilate a human, the Gentiles proclaimed no Englishman could commit the Whitechapel murders. They only kill themselves for 2 pence?
    You can also find in the speeches of Mr Henry Matthews for 1887 and 1888 where crimes including murder are brought before Parliament. In 1887 there were speeches by Matthew's regarding Lipski and its interesting that over 100 members of Parliament signed a petition to stay his execution? It also reveals in the speeches that Lipski confessed in the final hour of his execution. Coercion to stay potential Riots? The same reason for washing off the Goulston Street graffiti ?
    The only riots were apparently by the Irish.
    it makes you wonder why a man like Jacob Levy would receive such a harsh sentence for meat theft of little value. At least in comparison to a 2 month hard labor for assault by a gentile.
    Did JtR have a simple motive like " i hate prostitutes because they gave me syphilis?". That would fit 1 in 4 men in Whitechapel. Or was there additional motive that triggered these attacks? Unequal justice could be the real meaning behind the graffio? Look what we did ..here is the apron.
    This was meant to be found by the Police is my own guess.
    By 1888 according to Booths Maps on Jewish immigration, the hunting and killing grounds appear to be in heavily populated Jewish neighborhoods. With the exception of the Doss houses on Flower & Dean and Thrawl Streets.
    No doubt there was a motive to use prostitutes to send a message. The mutilation to obtain the outrage the killer was seeking. Humilation of authority is motive. Knowing the turf eliminated much of the risk of getting caught.
    JUstice against Jews, even Legacy Jews like Levy, appeared very one sided.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
    Fishmans book East End 1888 paints an interesting picture of unequal justice relative to crimes. For example assault appears to have less impact than theft? Property more valuable than the human. While the Jewish leadership proclaimed no Jew would mutilate a human, the Gentiles proclaimed no ...
    Hi Patrick,

    I've also always was thinking about this Jewish path. We are seeing that 'Double Event' attacks are very much connected to Jewish places (first Jewish Socialists Club, then close to the Synagogue). If it's also the case for others then it is interesting. On the other hand it can just be simple coincidence - if e.g. statistically most of the streets were inhabited by Jewish population then him striking close to them would be just a simple chance.

    Also we don't really know if graffiti was produced by the Ripper. It was written in Jewish household and could be just a graffiti referencing something different. Also question of humilating authority is opened: profiling suggests that this type of killer is not really after notoriety but rather he want's to fulfill his own dark fantasies.

    Jacks motive would be rather: I hate and fear women and I want to destroy them to have a sense of controll and power (which I don't have in my daily life). How can I relieve myself? By choosing the easiests of victims: East End homeless prostitutes. There is no message, there is no rhyme to this and reason except that I just want to see them destroyed.

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      The Wentworth Street dwellings were predominantly Jewish housing. In fact the suspect Jacob Levy's mother, sister and older brother Isaac and his family lived in those dwellings. It would be highly unlikely in my estimation that the graffiti and Eddowes apron appeared at the same time in the same place on the same night. And why there? Jacob Levys accuser Hyman Sampson had his butcher shop at 58 Goulston Street before it was displaced for the Wentworth Street dwellings. Imagine Sampson ending up next door to Levy as a competitor and it becomes heated ending in Levys incarceration.
      JtR operated in stealth and killed within a 5 minute window according to the Post mortem reports. And in darkness mutilate and escape. Who could accomplish that? According to novelist Patricia Cornwall who spent 70 million to prove JtR was Walter Sickert, the Ripper just ripped and pulled out organs. Yet the post mortem reports do not support that. First impression by each Doctor at the scene and in the mortuary was similar. This lunatic had " anatomical " knowledge? They were learned trained physicians and first impressions are often correct. JtR had some sort of anatomical knowledge according to the Doctors. Cornwall wasn't there.
      The Eddowes murder and apron /graffiti showed that JtR had a local lair as there was a significant gap between the murder and the finding of the apron. It also illustrated that the London City Police and Metro Police did not communicate and were too tied to their beats. A Local would know how to escape and where to hide in the shadows. Although if you killed in 5 minutes and lived in the Area you could be home in 15 minutes all the while the PCs were responding to a whistle going in the opposite direction.
      I think JtR was a calculating and Organized killer. The victims were part of a pool of 1200 according to that time period.
      My guess is he grew up in a female dominated household, was into vice, and as one Doctor proclaimed, was used to cutting up animals. Anatomical knowledge? Some animals are not so different from humans.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Patrick Differ View Post
        The Wentworth Street dwellings were predominantly Jewish housing. In fact the suspect Jacob Levy's mother, sister and older brother Isaac and his family lived in those dwellings. It would be highly unlikely in my estimation that the graffiti and Eddowes apron appeared at the same time in the same place on the same night. And why there? Jacob Levys accuser Hyman Sampson had his butcher shop at 58 Goulston Street before it was displaced for the Wentworth Street dwellings. Imagine Sampson ending up next door to Levy as a competitor and it becomes heated ending in Levys incarceration.
        JtR operated in stealth and killed within a 5 minute window according to the Post mortem reports. And in darkness mutilate and escape. Who could accomplish that? According to novelist Patricia Cornwall who spent 70 million to prove JtR was Walter Sickert, the Ripper just ripped and pulled out organs. Yet the post mortem reports do not support that. First impression by each Doctor at the scene and in the mortuary was similar. This lunatic had " anatomical " knowledge? They were learned trained physicians and first impressions are often correct. JtR had some sort of anatomical knowledge according to the Doctors. Cornwall wasn't there.
        The Eddowes murder and apron /graffiti showed that JtR had a local lair as there was a significant gap between the murder and the finding of the apron. It also illustrated that the London City Police and Metro Police did not communicate and were too tied to their beats. A Local would know how to escape and where to hide in the shadows. Although if you killed in 5 minutes and lived in the Area you could be home in 15 minutes all the while the PCs were responding to a whistle going in the opposite direction.
        I think JtR was a calculating and Organized killer. The victims were part of a pool of 1200 according to that time period.
        My guess is he grew up in a female dominated household, was into vice, and as one Doctor proclaimed, was used to cutting up animals. Anatomical knowledge? Some animals are not so different from humans.
        Excellent post indeed.

        With regard to animals; the pig has organs similar to humans and of a similar texture and density.

        Interesting how one alleged correspondence directly mentions the word "squeal"

        I have always interpreted that as a reference to the squeal of a pig.

        A butcher may have had the required skillset to carry out the post mortem mutilation, as well as the throat cuts.

        And if the killer had disected humans before; akin to the Thames torso killer, then butchering women in the street would be made all that bit easier because it would take the skill and anatomical knowledge of a man who worked as either a butcher, horse slaughterer or perhaps a surgeon.

        On that basis, I find it astonishing how we still have suspects who had ZERO knowledge of the criteria listed above.

        The killer clearly knew how to use a knife and knew how to cut. He also had the dexterity to cut, slice and remove organs in a way so as not to damage others. Similar to the skill of a surgeon.

        But the key difference is that Surgeons aren't trained to work fast, they're trained to be accurate.

        With the Ripper we see a combination of knife skill, anatomical knowledge, relative accuracy and above all, speed.

        Speed in a highly pressurised situation and in some cases in almost complete darkness.

        That could only be carried out by a man who had full control of his senses and knew what he was doing.

        And of course, when the Ripper chose to cut off noses and ears and nip the eyelids, he was perhaps indicating that he viewed his victims as nothing more than pigs for the slaughter.

        If we look at some of the suspects who have been suggested over the years, it is remarkable how the Ripper's abilities with the knife have not taken precedence over other factors in the case.

        The physical and chronological evidence proves that the killer was able to dispatch his victims under the most difficult situational circumstances, with relative ease.

        Last edited by The Rookie Detective; Yesterday, 08:56 PM.
        "Great minds, don't think alike"

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        • #5
          Medical opinion at the time was divided on whether or not the killer had to have had anatomical knowledge. George William Sequeira and William Sedgwick Saunders thought that he did not.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Lewis C View Post
            Medical opinion at the time was divided on whether or not the killer had to have had anatomical knowledge. George William Sequeira and William Sedgwick Saunders thought that he did not.
            If the cuts were all frenzied and each victim hacked randomly without any consideration as to where to cut and what to extract, then i can understand that.

            However, the evidence shows us that some of the cuts were deliberate, precise, measured and carried out with specific intent and purpose.

            There is no way that a man could carry out the murder of Eddowes in under 5 minutes IF he had no understanding of anatomy.
            MJK aside, the other victims were all mutilated in a fashion that suggests the killer was methodical in his approach.

            A man who can obliterate Eddowes in under 5 minutes and in relative darkness, is also a man who knows how to use a knife and has some kind of knowledge of anatomy
            "Great minds, don't think alike"

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