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The ripper in all probability would have been caught in the act, 'red handed', if they weren't so bothered about capture. They would have to have been at least loosely aware of timings/time limits and made gambled, calculated strikes within those time factors. Polly had no organs removed as far as the coroner report states, we can't be sure if that's because the rippers MO wasn't fully developed at said time OR they were interrupted before the full mutilations and trophy taking was complete. The same can be argued for Liz as being an 'incomplete' murder, that's of course if you subscribe to her murder being done by the same hand.
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Maybe he just couldn't help himself but maybe self aware that if he was caught then that was part of the risk.Originally posted by Steve F View PostI think he was more reckless than actually wanting to be caught.If he REALLY wanted to be nicked he would've been.I reckon he would have just waited around at the scene of one of the crimes until the coppers showed up to arrested him "red handed".A modern equivilent would be Mark Chapman,John Lennons killer.He had no desire to escape and just hung about till the police came to arrest him.Simple,yes?
The attacks had to happen he was driven by an opportunity and had to act out his fantasy but maybe he was hoping to be caught in his madness.
NickComment
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There were plenty of opportunities for the ripper to be caught in the act, yet nobody ever actually reported seeing the ripper committing the murders. That has to some degree demonstrate a certain amount of carefulness.
There are however several if not quite a few eye witness accounts and descriptions of men (likely to have been the ripper) seen with the victims. For example, Joseph Levy saw a man with Kate by Church passage shortly before her death and another being George Hutchinson, giving an almost suspiciously detailed account of a man seen with MJK hours before her remains were discovered. It would appear from those witnesses and their respective police statements that there were indeed sightings of the ripper, just none solid enough to pinpoint the rippers identity.Comment
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I don't take any of the so called sightings seriously and I do believe that our killer was seen and even possibly disturbed by someone during a murder and it wasn't reported to the policeOriginally posted by El White Chap View PostThree things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truthComment
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Hi All!
One thing that could be a factor here, is that Jack has, like James Kelly, already been tried, sentenced to death, then reprieved because of mental issues, and sent to an asylum.
If Jack was such a person - he'd have nothing to lose and could take considerable risks, probably adding to his fun. After all, he'd have nothing to lose - if caught, he'd just be sent back to the asylum.Comment
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Hi, Pinkmoon,Originally posted by pinkmoon View Post
Just wondering -- is that's a personal "feeling" of yours or if you've heard something, perhaps something passed down, that leads you to that belief?
Thx,
curiousComment
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If we assume the canonical 5 (or 4, to avoid making this a Stride thread) were killed by the Ripper, then I think it's very hard to say that the killer WANTED to get caught...because the killer has a perfect record of not being caught, a perfect record of making little to no noise at the murder sites, a perfect record of not leaving any meaningful evidence behind at the murder scene.
Even if you are Lynn Cates and you believe the Ripper WAS caught (which I don't), he was caught for his behavior many hours after a murder.
Likewise, I'm not so sure he got off on the thrill of killing outdoors. If this is the case, why was Kelly killed indoors? My suspicion is that Jack killed outdoors because he had to: he was a dosser who had no place of his own in which to rip.Comment
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I think he did get a thrill from killing outdoors.Originally posted by Damaso Marte View Post
The risk was part of the attraction, plus the displaying of the bodies.
If he was a dosser and assuming the trophies were taken at the time of the murders, where would he take them.
Best
NickComment
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Unless he was adjudged to be no longer insane - which would presumably have been the reason why he was released from the asylum in the first place.After all, he'd have nothing to lose - if caught, he'd just be sent back to the asylum.I won't always agree but I'll try not to be disagreeable.Comment
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I think were omitting a very real possibility....that the killer or killers of at least the public venue Canonical murders didnt rationalize at all...risk vs reward. He just acted...no filters, no moral quandaries, no sense of danger or risk....he saw a chance with a woman alone and lept at it. The first time he was so spontaneous that he narrowed his window of time after the killing to such a degree that he couldnt complete his objective. The next time, he plays it cool and gets into a yard with his victim...and even the approaching daylight didnt spoil his attention.
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Hi,
I would suggest that the killer was fearful of being caught, and quite possibly only escaped detection by a whisker after Eddowes.
As I believe that Kelly was premeditated, and chosen, because of prior knowledge of her circumstances ie, her own room, I must suggest that at the very least the Ripper was known to her, unless he gained knowledge of her habits via observation , or a third party.
Its because he kept off the streets, I maintain he enjoyed his liberty, and I also believe he not only altered his night time walks , but also gained access to Mary's room in the early daylight hours of the 9th, by her invitation .
Regards Richard.Comment
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Just a feeling of mine let's face it he must have been seen by somebody he didn't have the power of invisibility.I bet over the years someone has been told a story by a very old relative about there father or some other close relative claiming to have seen our killer.Originally posted by curious View PostThree things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truthComment
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Hello Richard
I felt that this was a very interesting observation, which might, in itself, partially explain the long gap between the double event and MJK. We hear a lot about the fogs, or Jack being sated etc but of JtR having himself received a scare very little...I would suggest that the killer was fearful of being caught, and quite possibly only escaped detection by a whisker after Eddowes.
But bearing in mind the generally held belief that Liz Stride's killer was disturbed, wouldn't that same scare factor apply with regard to the Eddowes killing? Or do you perhaps regard Liz as outside the canon?
Alternatively do you think it might've been the combined scare caused by two narrow squeaks on the same night which might've consequently instigated the long delay, and the subsequent modification to the MO?
All the best
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Hi Dave,
Indeed the Ripper being cautious after the so called ''Double Event'' is likely, and I feel he/she[ one never knows] would be hesitant in finding another victim on the local streets after Sept 30th.
The very fact that the killer did not venture into another district, points to their base being local,one could surmise that he could not venture into the west end in search of a likely victim who may have had a room , simply because he would not personally attract a better class of prostitute by his appearance.., or manner.
I would suggest that he stalked Mary Kelly for some time, and waited his chance which came on the morning of the 9th, but in daylight hours.
As the killer always struck at night, Kelly would not suspect any punter of being the killer who approached her in daylight hours with a proposal . it would throw her off guard, and would not attract suspicion from outsiders.
Regards Richard.Comment
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