Did the Ripper want to be caught?

[Nick Spring]

I have pondered this for a while and I cant find any discussion about it.

The murders seem to have a pattern of extreme risk involved in all of them.

This can included others than the C5.

But if you look at Chapman, Stride(who I would included) and Eddowes it is utter madness to attempt killings in these situations.

It is almost as if Jack wanted to get caught and or this is was part of the thrill. This implies some sort of planning on his behalf to get maximum kicks out of the whole thing.

Or is it these were just opportunist killings by some nutter.

Just some thoughts.

Nick

[curious]

I have pondered this for a while and I cant find any discussion about it.

The murders seem to have a pattern of extreme risk involved in all of them.

This can included others than the C5.

But if you look at Chapman, Stride(who I would included) and Eddowes it is utter madness to attempt killings in these situations.

It is almost as if Jack wanted to get caught and or this is was part of the thrill. This implies some sort of planning on his behalf to get maximum kicks out of the whole thing.

Or is it these were just opportunist killings by some nutter.

Just some thoughts.

Nick

Hello, Nick,
Somehow, I suspect that if JtR had wanted to be caught, he would have been. There were too many good chances. He could have lingered a split-second longer, perhaps, and been caught.

However, I do suspect that the possibility of being caught heightened the thrill for him, and the opportunity to demonstrate his superiority perhaps was part of the pleasure he took from his exploits.

curious

[Michael W Richards]

I have pondered this for a while and I cant find any discussion about it.

The murders seem to have a pattern of extreme risk involved in all of them.

This can included others than the C5.

But if you look at Chapman, Stride(who I would included) and Eddowes it is utter madness to attempt killings in these situations.

It is almost as if Jack wanted to get caught and or this is was part of the thrill. This implies some sort of planning on his behalf to get maximum kicks out of the whole thing.

Or is it these were just opportunist killings by some nutter.

Just some thoughts.

Nick

I think that you've struck upon a key element to identify when assessing who may have committed these murders Nick, for myself, I believe that some of the unsolved murders in the Whitechapel murder file were done in very public venues as a result of the opportunity....not by any designs of the killer

Mary Ann Nichols stands out among them.

In reality though the sites were not as visible as they have been portrayed, although the available light factor makes some more visible than others. In the street, to me, seems to indicate that Mary Ann's killer was looking for a moment...he wasnt considering his own safety as most rational people would be, he just wanted an opportunity to act. Hastily, he chose poorly and as a result he was unabkle to satisfy his personal demons. I think the backyard venue for his next choice, within 2 weeks of his previous kill, shows that he was concerned about finishing his work this time round. I say that because I believe the evidence indicates why Annie Chapmans killer did what he did to her, and if the same man killed both women, then one might assume the same motivations.

Cheers Nick

[Fisherman]

Hello, Nick,
Somehow, I suspect that if JtR had wanted to be caught, he would have been. There were too many good chances. He could have lingered a split-second longer, perhaps, and been caught.

However, I do suspect that the possibility of being caught heightened the thrill for him, and the opportunity to demonstrate his superiority perhaps was part of the pleasure he took from his exploits.

curious

Think of Heirens, Curious!

The best,
Fisherman

[Nick Spring]

Yes perhaps not wanting to be caught but definitely the thrill heightened by the possibility.

I just think the Chapman and Eddowes murders are just so risky and with limited time to achieve.

Just maybe he didn't care of he was caught which introduces non rational thinking into the uquation.

cheers

Nick

[Fisherman]

Yes perhaps not wanting to be caught but definitely the thrill heightened by the possibility.

I just think the Chapman and Eddowes murders are just so risky and with limited time to achieve.

Just maybe he didn't care of he was caught which introduces non rational thinking into the uquation.

cheers

Nick

Or a different rationality - his own.

The best,
Fisherman

[Nick Spring]

A fair point.

I guess it's difficult to see things from the killers perspective or his minds eye.

But a strong part motive for the killings must surely be the thrill from such brazenness.

cheers

Nick

[Tecs]

A fair point.

I guess it's difficult to see things from the killers perspective or his minds eye.

But a strong part motive for the killings must surely be the thrill from such brazenness.

cheers

Nick

Hi Nick.

It might be that he enjoyed the thrill of being caught, just like couples who have sex in public say that that is a big part of the thrill, (no comment!)

On the subject of motive or lack of it, this is where rational reasoning doesn't work. It doesn't matter if a motive makes no sense to us. If he was killing in order to stop the green rabbits on Saturn from launching an attack on earth, that was the motive for him and it was real to him.

Regards,

[Nick Spring]

Yes this was his sex in public, acting out his every fantasy.

Nick

[Paddy]

I dont wish to sound gross here, but I wonder if he got off on the smell of their insides? It must have stunk !

Pat....................

[Nick Spring]

Quite possibly, all part of his erotic mania.

[Penhalion]

You need to be careful in using Heirens for comparison with any serial killer. There is significant doubt as to his actual guilt in the Lipstick Murders. While he was certainly no choirboy, the evidence connecting him to the murders is questionable in the extreme and the methods used to elicit his confession are basically torture.

Best policy would be to exclude him when developing a profile of a theoretical serial killer.

[El White Chap]

The ripper knew darn well that they'd have to take considerable risks in committing those atrocities in public areas with 'traffic'. That was part of the thrill IMO, but the most important thing, what is key here is that these women were discovered in these 'exposed' places making more of an impact than if they were found in more secluded spots. It's all about shock value.
Just my tuppence...

[Nick Spring]

Displaying the victims was part of the thrill.

But the windows of opportunities with Chapman and Eddowes, short time to act. I wonder was he aware of these time limits.

It must have so close to people moving about in 29 Hanbury Street and did he know the regularity of the Police beats around Mitre Square.

It just feels as if he didn't care if he was caught, lost in his sexual fantasy, oblivious to all.

Nick

[Steve F]

Displaying the victims was part of the thrill.

But the windows of opportunities with Chapman and Eddowes, short time to act. I wonder was he aware of these time limits.

It must have so close to people moving about in 29 Hanbury Street and did he know the regularity of the Police beats around Mitre Square.

It just feels as if he didn't care if he was caught, lost in his sexual fantasy, oblivious to all.

Nick

I think he was more reckless than actually wanting to be caught.If he REALLY wanted to be nicked he would've been.I reckon he would have just waited around at the scene of one of the crimes until the coppers showed up to arrested him "red handed".A modern equivilent would be Mark Chapman,John Lennons killer.He had no desire to escape and just hung about till the police came to arrest him.Simple,yes?