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  • #16
    Originally posted by DJA View Post

    You rang!

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    You're slipping Dave. "you rang" was Lurch. Maynard G Crabbes was "Work!" (What does the G stand for? Walter!)
    Opposing opinions doesn't mean opposing sides, in my view, it means attacking the problem from both ends. - Wickerman​

    ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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    • #17
      Originally posted by StarlitShoal View Post

      I thought I was the only one who was planning to ask God that. Forget the meaning of life and all that jazz. Who was Ripper and why are mosquitoes and spiders with hair necessary?
      I have checked my emails and it seems that I have not been informed of the coup in which God was replaced by St Peter. I am always the last to be updated on such matters.
      Last edited by GBinOz; 04-12-2022, 06:25 AM.
      Opposing opinions doesn't mean opposing sides, in my view, it means attacking the problem from both ends. - Wickerman​

      ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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      • #18
        Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

        You're slipping Dave. "you rang" was Lurch. Maynard G Crabbes was "Work!" (What does the G stand for? Walter!)
        You rang? - YouTube
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        • #19
          Originally posted by DJA View Post
          Nice try Dave. This was Lurch's signature:
          Opposing opinions doesn't mean opposing sides, in my view, it means attacking the problem from both ends. - Wickerman​

          ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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          • #20
            Hi Dave,

            Perhaps were can come to an agreement: Both right, nobody wrong....and all gratuities in unmarked bills.
            Opposing opinions doesn't mean opposing sides, in my view, it means attacking the problem from both ends. - Wickerman​

            ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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            • #21
              Originally posted by StarlitShoal View Post
              • Psychopathy (manipulative and volatile; lacking a conscience or empathy towards others)
              • Letters thought to be authentic reveal narcissistic tendencies, but I am not comfortable labeling Ripper as an officially diagnosed narcissist absent evidence of his psychological state at the time of the murders
              • Hematomania (obsession with blood)
              • Always sliced the left carotid (right handed killer), but subdued the victim through strangulation into a position where the slice could be made from behind with limited blood spurting
              • Mutilations usually involved the severing of both femoral arteries, often in the process of removing organs, which produced a massive flow of blood, yet were always carried out postmortem to avoid spurting with the pulse, indicating careful calculation
              • “Dear Boss” letter refers to “proper red stuff” and how he saved some from a victim to write with, further leading towards an indication of hematomania
              • Superficial charm led victims to let down their guard; may have enticed them with grapes, which were far too expensive for any Whitechapel resident to afford in the time period
              • Intelligent and careful; too calculated and arrogant to be a simple case of a man experiencing schizophrenic episodes
              • Targeted prostitutes not for what they were, but for their availability and ease
              • No sexual motive; women were butchered, but never sexually assaulted
              • No sadism; mutilations occurred after quick deaths; doesn’t get off on pain and terror, but on blood and damage
              Hi Kristen

              welcome and thanks for your post.

              I wonder what leads you to think about hematomania? The available testimony seems to be agree on there being very little blood visible, and that the killer would probably not be drenched in it. Overall, the blood does not appear to play any prominent role in the murders, compared to for instance the inner organs. Besides, it was mostly dark, so the killer would not have been able to savour the blood visually, beyond perhaps its characteristic sheen.

              You write that grapes were far too expensive for any Whitechapel resident to afford - well, it that were so, why were they being sold in Whitechapel, one might ask? i.e. the fact that someone was selling them on the street attests to there being a market for them - besides the occassional upperclass slum tourist.

              I personally believe the Dear Boss letters to be genuine, but as others have stated, it's not really considered to be the case, so one must be careful to use it as a basepoint.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                I think you'll find somewhere written , the kidney sent to lusk was indeed identified as a human kidney , and it matched closely in condition to eddowes other kidney ..now having said that it might not have been hers but there nothing that says it couldn't have been hers also.
                Yep.

                The expert was Henry Gawen Sutton.

                Eddowes had been his inpatient along with Nichols in December 1867 onward.Both had rheumatic fever.The bacteria resides in the small intestines.

                Explains why Nichols moved next door to Eddowes 24th August 1888.No doubt ran into each other in Thrawl Street.

                Nichols was murdered a short walk from the London Hospital.

                Eddowes returned seeking a reward claiming she knows the killer.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kattrup View Post
                  I wonder what leads you to think about hematomania? The available testimony seems to be agree on there being very little blood visible, and that the killer would probably not be drenched in it. Overall, the blood does not appear to play any prominent role in the murders, compared to for instance the inner organs. Besides, it was mostly dark, so the killer would not have been able to savour the blood visually, beyond perhaps its characteristic sheen.
                  Hi Kattrup,

                  I believe that one reason for thinking that MJK was the last victim was that JtR finally had the chance to have the full blood experience in the full light of the fireplace and fully savour the blood visually.

                  Cheers, George
                  Opposing opinions doesn't mean opposing sides, in my view, it means attacking the problem from both ends. - Wickerman​

                  ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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                  • #24
                    Nah.

                    Mary Ann Kelly was the last of the five blackmailers.
                    My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email account

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by DJA View Post

                      Yep.

                      The expert was Henry Gawen Sutton.

                      Eddowes had been his inpatient along with Nichols in December 1867 onward.Both had rheumatic fever.The bacteria resides in the small intestines.

                      Explains why Nichols moved next door to Eddowes 24th August 1888.No doubt ran into each other in Thrawl Street.

                      Nichols was murdered a short walk from the London Hospital.

                      Eddowes returned seeking a reward claiming she knows the killer.
                      Dave, Can you please explain your theory with regard to Chapman and MJK?

                      Cheers, George
                      Opposing opinions doesn't mean opposing sides, in my view, it means attacking the problem from both ends. - Wickerman​

                      ​Disagreeing doesn't have to be disagreeable - Jeff Hamm

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by DJA View Post

                        Yep.

                        The expert was Henry Gawen Sutton.

                        Eddowes had been his inpatient along with Nichols in December 1867 onward.Both had rheumatic fever.The bacteria resides in the small intestines.

                        Explains why Nichols moved next door to Eddowes 24th August 1888.No doubt ran into each other in Thrawl Street.

                        Nichols was murdered a short walk from the London Hospital.

                        Eddowes returned seeking a reward claiming she knows the killer.



                        I agree with some of your points Dave , i personally think tho, you have a few pieces of the puzzle in the wrong spot .

                        and a participant whos not even a piece....
                        'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                        • #27
                          It Had Been Preserved in Spirits. Dr. Openshaw told a Star reporter to-day that after having examined the piece of kidney under the microscope he was of opinion that it was half of a left human kidney.
                          'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

                            Dave, Can you please explain your theory with regard to Chapman and MJK?

                            Cheers, George
                            Mary Ann Kelly was abused when Sutton became Vestry Board Medical Officer circa 1867.
                            She is referenced in RLS's novella as the girl trampled.
                            Major Smith was RLS's cousin.Inspector Newcomen.Appointed in 1885.

                            Chapman resided several doors from Kelly.
                            Likely patient of Sutton's.
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                            • #29
                              I made over the kidney to the police surgeon, instructing him to consult with the most eminent men in the Profession, and to send me a report without delay. I give the substance of it. The renal artery is about three inches long. Two inches remained in the corpse, one inch was attached to the kidney. The kidney left in the corpse was in an advanced state of Bright's Disease; the kidney sent me was in an exactly similar state. But what was of far more importance, Mr Sutton, one of the senior surgeons at the London Hospital, whom Gordon Brown asked to meet him and another surgeon in consultation, and who was one of the greatest authorities living on the kidney and its diseases, said he would pledge his reputation that the kidney submitted to them had been put in spirits within a few hours of its removal from the body thus effec-ually disposing of all hoaxes in connection with it.
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                              • #30
                                I concer with your finding , and am of the opinion it indeed was Eddowes kidney , wether one chooses to say Oppy was ''right'' as was Sutton, is up to the individual i guess.
                                'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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