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    It is not written about but add shock, surprise, attack, the fear of the victim, fight, screams, fear of being caught, and violent, bloodily killing all produce heighten sexual release. No one talks about it because no one wants to say killing produces greater orgasm. Where was the semen from JTR’s killings? What about the room he spent so much time with his victim? Why are last victims like Ted Buddy’s and canonical JTR killing so horrific? Is there meaning in last victim’s horror?

  • #2
    I can't answer the other questions, but there was no seminal fluid.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kwanitaka View Post
      It is not written about but add shock, surprise, attack, the fear of the victim, fight, screams, fear of being caught, and violent, bloodily killing all produce heighten sexual release. No one talks about it because no one wants to say killing produces greater orgasm. Where was the semen from JTR’s killings? What about the room he spent so much time with his victim? Why are last victims like Ted Buddy’s and canonical JTR killing so horrific? Is there meaning in last victim’s horror?
      woah dude. hope you dont know all this by experience. maybe for a sexually motivated serial killer, but if the ripper was it was more subtle and covert, because there is no overt indication of any sexual element to his crimes ie-rape, semen etc. but I think there may have been an element to it, with targeting of privates, breasts, face and he may have masturbated with the organs he took away. but all this is total speculation of course.
      "Is all that we see or seem
      but a dream within a dream?"

      -Edgar Allan Poe


      "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
      quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

      -Frederick G. Abberline

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      • #4
        I believe he was some kind of a necrophiliac.

        He pleasured himself with the organs he took away.

        Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
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        • #5
          Originally posted by erobitha View Post
          I believe he was some kind of a necrophiliac.

          He pleasured himself with the organs he took away.
          That would be my bet too, Ero!

          In the case of MJK, I'm not sure that it would be possible to find "evidence of recent connexion".

          The poor woman was completely eviscerated.

          Could semen have been identified among all the other blood and bodily fluids?

          I'm not sure.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ms Diddles View Post

            That would be my bet too, Ero!

            In the case of MJK, I'm not sure that it would be possible to find "evidence of recent connexion".

            The poor woman was completely eviscerated.

            Could semen have been identified among all the other blood and bodily fluids?

            I'm not sure.
            We cannot rule out that seminal fluid was mixed with other substances, but my own instinct is the kills were methodical in order to get the organs. Once he had them he knew he could do want he want at his own leisure upon escape. Despite the urges that were present he overthrew them.......except perhaps for MJK.

            He had time here. The excessive brutality could have been interspersed with sexual acts which reflect the time he had with her.

            Anyone who has read up on the likes of Dahmler, Bundy etc and will know that necrophilic acts are quite common with lust killers who have access to the victims after the murder itself. Perhaps this was JtR's act of passion masterpiece.
            Author of 'Jack the Ripper: Threads' out now on Amazon > UK | USA | CA | AUS
            JayHartley.com

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            • #7
              Like erobitha and others, I think JtR was necrophilic. And it is not unusual for such murderers to masterbate after they have returned to a more private location and relive the experience. While it is also not uncommon to find evidence of sexual activity at the scene as well, it is by no means always the case. For most of the murders, being committed in the streets, I wouldn't expect to find anything at the crime scene. However, it is possible that seminal fluids were left at Mary Kelly's, but were simply lost in the rest of the fluids and blood, and general mess created. But there's no way for us to know that now.

              - Jeff

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              • #8
                Interesting! Necrophilia never really entered my mind as a motive before, but on reflection, I have read about a murder that was motivated by a lustful desire for the internal organs of the victim. I believe it was actually a specific organ too. That killer was severely schizophrenic and had a powerful drive to feel organ(s) in his hand. Like many others, I think with JtR, murder itself was not the primary motivation, but the post-mortem disfigurement or even accessing the organs, as with my example case above. I think he didn't "finish" Nichols and was perhaps disturbed, like in the Stride case, rather than it being a beginner crime. His next victim, Chapman, reflected his true motivation all along. I had previously viewed the placement of the innards outside of the body as ritualistic, but if JtR was in fact sexually attracted to organs, then that makes a very convincing argument.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Meet Ze Monster View Post
                  Interesting! Necrophilia never really entered my mind as a motive before, but on reflection, I have read about a murder that was motivated by a lustful desire for the internal organs of the victim. I believe it was actually a specific organ too. That killer was severely schizophrenic and had a powerful drive to feel organ(s) in his hand. Like many others, I think with JtR, murder itself was not the primary motivation, but the post-mortem disfigurement or even accessing the organs, as with my example case above. I think he didn't "finish" Nichols and was perhaps disturbed, like in the Stride case, rather than it being a beginner crime. His next victim, Chapman, reflected his true motivation all along. I had previously viewed the placement of the innards outside of the body as ritualistic, but if JtR was in fact sexually attracted to organs, then that makes a very convincing argument.
                  Hi Meet Ze!

                  Nice to see you back!!

                  Hope you're well!

                  As always it's pure speculation, but I have always felt that there was a tactile element to Jack's behaviour.

                  I suspect that he enjoyed rooting around in all the viscera to locate the organs.

                  Whether the thrill was merely holding the organs in his hand or errrrrrmm doing other stuff with them, I don't know.

                  Jesus, the chat on this forum takes one to some pretty unsavoury places on occasion!

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                  • #10
                    It’s the filth that thrills. Think urolagnia, coprophilia etc. but more extreme. Add in the pre-assault excitement with (most likely) just enough alcohol to give him the balls to carry it just that bit further than previous encounters with prostitutes. The thrill of the preparation (clothing considerations, concealment of the knife), the thoughts of being an no-one but everyone knowing of you.

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                    • #11
                      I think there’s every chance there was semen in the Kelly murder but they failed to see it in all the muck and bodily debris.

                      I think this was the fantasy come true for him at last. Relief in every meaning of the term.

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