Mary Jane Violence

[Abby Normal]

oh god here we go again with the it wasn't mary Kelly nonsense.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

The window was broken?

[Abby Normal]

Hello Simon,

But you are in agreement that a woman was killed in Millers Court who was identified as Mary Jane Kelly are you not? Whether that was in fact her real name is another matter.

c.d.

hi cd I think the difference might be too subtle for some.

[DJA]

He knew Mary personally. She knew him.

Yet when I link them,you have a completely different viewpoint

[Simon Wood]

Hi Abby,

So, prove the victim was Mary Kelly.

All we know is what we've been told.

Who's to say it's true?

If it was true, surely Debra Arif would have found her by now.

Simon

[Abby Normal]

Hi all,
Just a thought, but something I have wanted to discuss, what was the reason for the level of violence displayed on Mary Kelly?
If we are to take the C5 as victims of the Whitechapel Killer, and in my opinion Martha Tabram, we see a steady progression of violence as is generally accepted in serial killers. It appears to be typically accepted on these pages that the reason for the evicerasion of Mary Kelly was purely opportunity, the killer had at last a chance to fulfill his lust. What I'd like to debate, if we accept that the killer hated women and wanted to destroy them, the initial chain of victims fit this, but with all respect they were not stereotypical beauties, as such not the kind of women the killer might have envied. But reports from the time suggest that Mary Kelly did not fit this profile, she was young, healthy and attractive. The killer vented an awful rage against all his victims, as if any woman was beyond his social skills, but perhaps in winning the confidence of Mary Kelly he was confronted with someone who represents all he could never have, could this have amplified his rage?
To summarise, was the violence inflicted upon Mary Kelly purely opportunity or could she have represented more than the other victims what the killer envied or hated?

For the record, I don't have a particular suspect, theory or conspiracy.

hi ABE
welcome! I think just has to do with the fact he had a private place with door that could lock and a lot of time and privacy. I too think they probably knew each other to some extent-the evidence and circs seem to point that way. but if that played some part in the extent of her injuries I don't know-probably not. it has more to do with escalation and privacy/time.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Hi all, to try and get back to the point, we're not debating the identity of the fifth C5,but wether she was eviscerated out of pure opportunity or because she represented more than the other victims what the killer wanted to destroy?

[DJA]

The window was broken?

Yep.

The one nearest the door had two broken panes.

You could reach the door lock through one of them.

[Abby Normal]

Hi all, to try and get back to the point, we're not debating the identity of the fifth C5,but wether she was eviscerated out of pure opportunity or because she represented more than the other victims what the killer wanted to destroy?

see my post right above yours-you may have missed it

[c.d.]

Well let's assume that the victim found in Millers Court was not actually named Mary Kelly. Does this automatically indicate some sort of conspiracy or involvement by a person or persons unknown or any type of theory no matter how far fetched? How unreasonable is it that "Mary Kelly" chose not to use her real name out of fear of an abusive ex husband or lover tracking her down or simply didn't want her family to know how she made her living.

I mean look at porn stars. Do they use their real names? Are they all on the run from the Fenians?

c.d.

[DJA]

Links?

[Herlock Sholmes]

Hello Al,

i don't think that there's any way that we can come down on either side with absolute certainty. For me personally though the fact that she had her own room has to be highly suggestive. A killer approaching a random prostitute would have had no way of knowing whether his prospective victim had her own accommodation or not, but faced with one who did and who might have told him “don’t worry I live on my own so we won’t be disturbed” might have felt that all of his Christmas’s had come along at once.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

C.D, rule 34

[c.d.]

Hi Abby,

So, prove the victim was Mary Kelly.

All we know is what we've been told.

Who's to say it's true?

If it was true, surely Debra Arif would have found her by now.

Simon

Hello Simon,

But can't we use that same line of reasoning regarding basically anything to do with the case? How do we know with absolute certainty that Tumblety was a homosexual or that it was actually Druitt that was pulled out of the Thames? Seems a bit of a slippery slope to me.

c.d.

[c.d.]

C.D, rule 34

Say what?

c.d.