Profiling the Whitechapel killer

[DVV]

Hello Don, that's right. I don't know what Glenn wrote about Miller's Court, but in any case it can't be called a bias.
There is something "different" with Mary Kelly, that we all sense, I believe. For some, this is simply explained by the fact it occurred indoors. In Glenn's opinion, it could indicate a different killer. To me, she wasn't a random victim.
Glenn has often expressed his admiration for Don Rumbelow, and I just can notice Rumbelow didn't consider MJK a Ripper victim either, his suspect having passed before the Miller's Court affair.

[lynn cates]

canon

Hello David. You might wish to add Mr. Stewart Evans to that list. Of course, he suspends both MJK and Liz from the canon based on wounds--much as Baxter did.

Of course, considerations other than wounds are brought to bear.

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Malcolm,

Not sure what it is you are on about, but I do think you are unfair to friend Andersson. it is quite possible for an author with strong sentiments about a particular suspect nonetheless to write an objective book on the murders, as Glenn did. By the same token, as Sugden (under pressure from his publishers) showed, it is possible to write an objective book despite laying great stress on one particular suspect.

Don.

Sudgen only pushed G.Chapman at the end, when asked to, but back then the likes of GH weren't even considered suspects, Sudgen might not think the same about Chapman today...because his book isn't that bias, he sais ``of a bunch of poor suspects, G.Chapman is the best of them``..... roughly, from memory, so he's not that convinced.

with regards to MJK, if you think she's not a JTR victim and not part of these last C3 murders, then you need to get inside the killer's mind far more, because this is the one murder that's deffo him, it's the Tabram murder that's highly suspicious.

this is not about being friends with Glenn at all, it's all about; are you happy with the theory that this is a Copycat ?

because a Copycat is plainly rediculous and i couldn't care less what anyone thinks, it's like saying that there was another sniper on the Grassy Knoll, no no no, only one killer, only one sniper !

[lynn cates]

rum job

Hello Malcolm. If MJK was intended as a copycat of:

1. Polly and Annie

or

2. Kate Eddowes

then the perpetrator did a rum job of it. This slaying stands alone.

Cheers.
LC

[Supe]

Malcolm,

You show no comprehension of what I was saying and display such obdurate bias yourself that I find it useless to continue the discussion.

I do, however, begin to understand what those who deplore the current state of the message boards are on about.

Don.

[The Good Michael]

Don,

I absolutely respected that. When I saw the response to your post, I wanted to fling myself against the wall headfirst. the only thing stopping me was that my mission to irritate know-it-alls on this site is not yet finished.

Mike

[Malcolm X]

Hello Malcolm. If MJK was intended as a copycat of:

1. Polly and Annie

or

2. Kate Eddowes

then the perpetrator did a rum job of it. This slaying stands alone.

Cheers.
LC

i mean this is getting silly, where do i start

1..... why would anyone want to Copycat JTR, there's no need to, just kill her like all the rest of the unsolved murders, why not do a Stride or a Tabram instead

2.....why go to such lengths to copycat, realising that the police cant catch you anyway, why therefore shift the blame to someone else.

3....i very much doubt that a copycat; that has not already killed before, will have the stomach to handle something as hideous as this, or have the bottle to do this in the first place.

4...you can tell that MJK has been killed by someone that has killed before

5...two mutilators at work at the same time and place, over a short period of time and nothing similar before or after 1888, i doubt it

this slaying doesn't stand alone at all, it has JTR written all over it, it is different because it's indoors only

[lynn cates]

points

Hello Malcolm.

"this is getting silly"

That's what I think whenever I read about this serial killer who needed to feel a woman's insides. Sounds like augury to me.

"where do I start"

Why not at the beginning?

"1..... why would anyone want to Copycat JTR, there's no need to, just kill her like all the rest of the unsolved murders, why not do a Stride or a Tabram instead"

As I said, Kate is the only real copycat. Why copycat? Answer should be obvious.

"2.....why go to such lengths to copycat, realising that the police cant catch you anyway, why therefore shift the blame to someone else."

Why can't they? Besides, why not keep the netherlands covered? If it looks different a REAL investigation might occur.

"3...I very much doubt that a copycat; that has not already killed before, will have the stomach to handle something as hideous as this, or have the bottle to do this in the first place."

But you see, that's just it. That is why I have been looking at thugs with strong stomachs but week minds for planning.

"4...you can tell that MJK has been killed by someone that has killed before"

I can't. What makes you think so?

"5...two mutilators at work at the same time and place, over a short period of time and nothing similar before or after 1888, I doubt it"

That is purely subjective.

"this slaying doesn't stand alone at all, it has JTR written all over it, it is different because it's indoors only"

Indeed? So Kate's thighs were denuded?

Cheers.
LC

[Malcolm X]

Hello Malcolm.
.
But you see, that's just it. That is why I have been looking at thugs with strong stomachs but week minds for planning.

two mutilators at work at the same time and place, over a short period of time and nothing similar before or after 1888, I doubt it"

That is purely subjective.

"this slaying doesn't stand alone at all, it has JTR written all over it, it is different because it's indoors only"

Indeed? So Kate's thighs were denuded?

Cheers.
LC

ok,
a thug with a strong stomach, but weak mind for planning? no this murder has been planned very well indeed, this is no normal brainless thug, the killer is smart, cunning and devious and it looks like he's a pervert too

purely subjective ?..... no it's a fact, unless the killer has hidden his other mutilations, or has mutilated abroad as well

Kates thighs not mutilated?.... again, this is because he has much more time with MJK, this is the next stage on from Kate and hence it's bound to look far worst, with Kate he was pushed for time, so this explains everything. but you see the mutilations escallating with Kate already, i.e she's the first to suffer the facial cuts....why? not sure, but starting with Stride, JTR upped his game and switched tactics by blaming the Jews as well and it also looks like he targeted Dutfields.

[lynn cates]

dos compadres

Hello Malcolm.

"a thug with a strong stomach, but weak mind for planning? no this murder has been planned very well indeed"

Indeed so. But why must the planner be the executioner?

"this is no normal brainless thug, the killer is smart, cunning and devious"

No, but the planner is.

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Kates thighs not mutilated?.... again, this is because he has much more time with MJK, this is the next stage on from Kate and hence it's bound to look far worst, with Kate he was pushed for time, so this explains everything.

Hi Malcolm.

I'd agree. Also, I think it's signifanct that Mr Cates has not addressed this observation of yours. It's obvious that he considers it a very reasonable assumption indeed.

[harry]

The Ripper activity seemingly occured between midnight and 6AM in the morning,though some will consider Kelly outside that time frame.(not myself)Why not between midday and six in the evening?Might seem a strange sort of question,but considering the year w as 1888,there might be some reasonable answers.

[Malcolm X]

The Ripper activity seemingly occured between midnight and 6AM in the morning,though some will consider Kelly outside that time frame.(not myself)Why not between midday and six in the evening?Might seem a strange sort of question,but considering the year w as 1888,there might be some reasonable answers.

because MJK was seen with Blotchy late at night and she was seen going into her own room, so this can not be another woman, therefore she was still alive after 6pm, you'd also have problems with Rigor Mortis, plus she'd also be starting to smell really bad, finally at this far earlier time, she probably had friends coming around to visit her/ neighbours etc, plus Millers court would still be way too busy.

[DVV]

Hi Mal, Harry is not saying she's been killed in the morning, he is saying some think so.