Profiling the Whitechapel killer

[DVV]

And after the absolute massacre in Millers Court , he probably commited suicide . I hope he rot in hell .

Hi JG
since you are interested in profiling, have you encountered any serial killer whose profile would be similar to JtR's (be it in your opinion only), and who committed suicide ?

[Jimi]

Suicide???

Hi All
Hi DVV
Yes, I here what you're saying, however I struggle to believe that somebody who obviously enjoyed the crime would turn depressive after.
HI JG
You mentioned your puzzlement over the tropy taking.
Can I ask which came first the killing or the trophy taking?
I'm sure you'll find the answer there.
Keep Well
Jimi

[DVV]

You don't believe a lunatic can be depressed ? Strange. It is neither uncummon that serial killers suffer from depression.
Kemper enjoyed killing his mother, to the extent that he played darts on her.
Then he gave up and called the police.

[tji]

Hi DVV

[QUOTE]

You don't believe a lunatic can be depressed ? Strange. It is neither uncummon that serial killers suffer from depression.

If you re-read Jimi's post he never said that a lunatic can't be depressed, he said he didn't think one that enjoyed the kill would turn depressive after.

Tj

[DVV]

Hello TJ

If you re-read Jimi's post he never said that a lunatic can't be depressed, he said he didn't think one that enjoyed the kill would turn depressive after.

Tj

I haven't misread Jimi, I'm saying he could turn depressive afterwards. If a lunatic/serial killer can be depressed, he can be so before, or after a murder. Whenever, in fact, we don't know. Depression is something common. That he enjoyed butchering MJK doesn't mean he was happy for the rest of his life.
No idea how he felt one hour or one week after the deed.

[tji]

Hi DVV

Ok that's fair enough, but again I am assuming (I am sure Jimi will correct me if I am wrong) Jimi was referring to the depression soon after the killings and the suicide being soon after Mary Kelly not years down the line.


tracy

[Jimi]

Suicide???

Hi All
Why would Jack feel depressed after killing Kelly and not After Eddowes,Chapman or Nicholls? The amount of mutilation? Thats like saying its not as bad cutting one eye from a dead body as two.
Mary Kelly was no random victim, to me. The mutilations were no insanity fuelled hacking. Yes, Jack was in a frenzy but he KNEW what he was doing.
And he liked it. Chances are he would do it again.
If perhaps there was some other reason to make Jack feel depressed, no money etc. he would just go out and kill again to my mind.
Keep Well
Jimi

[The Good Michael]

Jimi,

There are any number of reasons people commit suicide. There doesn't have to be a reason associated with the killings.

Mike

[DVV]

Hi Jimi

Why would Jack feel depressed after killing Kelly and not After Eddowes,Chapman or Nicholls? The amount of mutilation? Thats like saying its not as bad cutting one eye from a dead body as two.

Nope. Nobody said the ripper was depressed. But youare saying he was not, while we obviously don't know who he was and how he felt.

Mary Kelly was no random victim, to me.

That is my opinion.

The mutilations were no insanity fuelled hacking. Yes, Jack was in a frenzy but he KNEW what he was doing.
And he liked it. Chances are he would do it again.

Here is your problem. Nothing after Miller's Court.

[Malcolm X]

Hi All
Why would Jack feel depressed after killing Kelly and not After Eddowes,Chapman or Nicholls? The amount of mutilation? Thats like saying its not as bad cutting one eye from a dead body as two.
Mary Kelly was no random victim, to me. The mutilations were no insanity fuelled hacking. Yes, Jack was in a frenzy but he KNEW what he was doing.
And he liked it. Chances are he would do it again.
If perhaps there was some other reason to make Jack feel depressed, no money etc. he would just go out and kill again to my mind.
Keep Well
Jimi

strangely enough depression makes you want to curl up and die, it makes you lethargic, slow and tired.

you usually get a strong sexual appetite/ desire to do things if you're happy and in good health, you simply feel far more positive about life..... unfortunately for a serial killer, this means it's time to kill again.

guilty instead ?.....he wouldn't be a killer if he was would he, because JTR definitely has no conscience.

[DVV]

you usually get a strong sexual appetite/ desire to do things if you're happy and in good health, you simply feel far more positive about life..... unfortunately for a serial killer, this means it's time to kill again.

True.

[Malcolm X]

Hi Jimi


.
Here is your problem. Nothing after Miller's Court.

nothing after Millers court is the biggest mystery of all, and it was years ago when i was only 12, before i was even interested in him.

we have to assume that JTR was physically fit and also mentally semi ok !
i think he cleared off sometime soon after and up to a year later, but no longer than this.

the trouble is you cant get much more hideous than MJK, so after this he maybe stopped, or backed right off to who he was before JTR

[DVV]

nothing after Millers court is the biggest mystery of all

If you make the mistake to think she was a random victim, then yes, it's a big mystery.

[JG76]

nothing after Millers court is the biggest mystery of all, and it was years ago when i was only 12, before i was even interested in him.

we have to assume that JTR was physically fit and also mentally semi ok !
i think he cleared off sometime soon after and up to a year later, but no longer than this.

the trouble is you cant get much more hideous than MJK, so after this he maybe stopped, or backed right off to who he was before JTR

I think he was a riverboat sailor . After the MJK murder he was satisfied with his revengeful "work" and went on with his miserable life .

[jason_c]

Assuming the canonical five as fact for a moment. These five were killed within a ten week period. Are there any form of mental illnesses that would lead to a ten week period of mania?

I edge towards Kosminski as killer. I remember him being described as suffering from bouts of mania then followed by some relative normalcy. I do not wish to turn this into a Kosminski thread and im certainly not advocating him here. However, what illness would explain a ten week bout of going "mad?" Are any illnesses ruled out by a ten week bout of mania?