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[Luke111]

Hello Lynn.
I'll be investigating all this, as well as you-know-whose bank account (pertaining to which, remind me to ask you for help, if possible, about Pịtr Rachkovsky's bank connection). It's still too early to say.

Hi maria, I was wondering if you could enlighten a relativly new member of the casebook what this means? Whos Piotr Rachkovsky? Looking forward for your reply

[lynn cates]

Rachkovski

Hello Luke. Rachkovski was the Russian Okhrana chief summoned to London to combat the proliferation of Anarchists in the East End. This was in summer 1888.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Please don't tell me that theory is still abounding that a member of the IWMEC was in some way involved in the Stride/JTR murders?

No worries, Adam. We're simply having suspicions that members of the IWEC could have been targeted with provocatory acts, so as to appear involved in the Whitechapel murders. À la Bachert.

To Luke:
The Okhrana was a Russian governmental secret police organisation not just hunting socialists and anarchists internationally, but also arranging provocatory terrorist acts involving/exposing said anarchists. Pịtr Rachkovski, a Okhrana chief in the 1880s/1890s, moved his bureau from Paris to London in the summer of 1888. Rachkovsky is documented to have engaged small detective agencies into organizing provocatory acts against the socialists/anarchists. One of the Ripper suspects run a detective agency (most plausibly as a cover for some other kind of illegal activities). We're trying to research this. Any results will appear in articles in the magazines (Ripperologist and The new independent review).

[Luke111]

No worries, Adam. We're simply having suspicions that members of the IWEC could have been targeted with provocatory acts, so as to appear involved in the Whitechapel murders. À la Bachert.

To Luke:
The Okhrana was a Russian governmental secret police organisation not just hunting socialists and anarchists internationally, but also arranging provocatory terrorist acts involving/exposing said anarchists. Pịtr Rachkovski, a Okhrana chief in the 1880s/1890s, moved his bureau from Paris to London in the summer of 1888. Rachkovsky is documented to have engaged small detective agencies into organizing provocatory acts against the socialists/anarchists. One of the Ripper suspects run a detective agency (most plausibly as a cover for some other kind of illegal activities). We're trying to research this. Any results will appear in articles in the magazines (Ripperologist and The new independent review).

I see. Do you have any links to articles / other information about this ? Because it sounds really interesting.

[lynn cates]

Kaufman thread

Hello Luke. Try this.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=4566&highlight=kaufman

Cheers.
LC

[RedBundy13]

Why he wrote what he wrote

I was wondering if anyone had any ideas of why he would have written what he did in the doorway on Goulston St.? I have found a part in Rumbelow's book where it said that after Annie Chapmann's death a "mob" had gathered and had started attacking Jews that were nearby because they had said that "No Englishman could do such a heinous act on a woman..." Could it be that JtR had come back to the scene of the crime to witness the mob and then on his next set of murders had hoped to repeat the same scenario where a mob would form and attack the jews again? Since, I believe, that the graphito was written in a doorway of a Jewish building, in a predominantly jewish neighborhood? Any other thoughts on the meaning of his words?

[Hunter]

There are many recent threads on that subject. A search will find enough material to read for a week.

But, a short answer to your question is that many people here, have suggested that as a possibility. Since we don't know who killed any of these women or the mental state of the perpetrator, any plausible guess is just as valid as another one.

Both Arnold and Warren believed that the graffiti was problematic if the public thought that it was written by the killer because of what happened after the Chapman murder.

[RedBundy13]

just wondering

Is there a consensus on how big the graphito was?

[Wickerman]

Is there a consensus on how big the graphito was?

Det. Halse told us:
"There were three lines of writing in a good schoolboys round hand. The size of the capital letters would be about 3/4 in, and the other letters were in proportion"

Regards, Jon S.

[Tom_Wescott]

As for where they were placed, some say on the entryway, others say on the wall next to the staircase, as suggested by the comment that the graffiti would have been rubbed by the shoulders of those walking down. It was white chalk on black dado and could not have been missed by anyone in the building arriving home, so had been written very shortly before it's discovery.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Wickerman]

I was not aware the location was ever in dispute, because according to a memo from Warren to Matthews...

"...There were several police around the spot when I arrived, both Metropolitan and City. The writing was on the jamb of the open archway or doorway visible to anybody in the street and could not be covered up without danger of the covering being torn off at once....."

I emphasize the stated location.



Pay no attention to the dimensions, I cannot recall why they were shown.

Regards, Jon S.

[RedBundy13]

Thanks for the replys, that pic is great! It puts it all into perspective.
Maybe it shows where a 6' tall man would be when he hunched over to write on the jamb? The dimensions that is and why they might be there...

[RedBundy13]

easily seen

I see now what people are saying. That would have been about impossible to miss. Anyone who would have walked by there should have seen it. It showed plain as day, right out into the street. weird

[Wickerman]

Hi Red.
I put the dimensions on that pic years ago, but I don't recall what the conversation was which promted me to do that.

I do recall the size & number of bricks had something to do with it. This may sound weird to you but back in the late 90's Bob Hinton thought to employ the size of a standard house brick & cement line to create a mock-up of Kelly's window in Millers Court, to see if her door lock was reachable through the window, etc.
I seem to think that I used this same logic to place dimensions on that photo.

Anyhow, with respect to the size. Here's a challenge for you.
Take an ordinary piece of chalk and write those precise words BUT, make sure any capital letters you use are ONLY 3/4 inch tall, and the rest of the letters are sized accordingly.
(Good luck at making it legible)

Then step back and see if you can easily read it as you are walking past.

Regards, Jon S.
P.S. now if Halse actually meant 3 - 4 inch tall, the story is completely different.

[Monty]

"Anyhow, with respect to the size. Here's a challenge for you.
Take an ordinary piece of chalk and write those precise words BUT, make sure any capital letters you use are ONLY 3/4 inch tall, and the rest of the letters are sized accordingly.
(Good luck at making it legible)

Then step back and see if you can easily read it as you are walking past."

You must also bear in mind that passers by would not be walking flush to the entrance, due to the recessess.

Monty