Why do you think Jack stopped?

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  • Hatchett
    Detective
    • Sep 2009
    • 425

    #16
    Hi DVV,

    I can't located that thread. Could you sum up the evidence for me?

    Best wishes.

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    • DVV
      Suspended
      • Apr 2008
      • 6014

      #17
      In short, you ask me to find this lost thread while I'm on single malt.

      You're a real friend.

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      • Hatchett
        Detective
        • Sep 2009
        • 425

        #18
        Hi DVV,

        Sorry. But isnt that what friends are for?

        Best wishes.

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        • DVV
          Suspended
          • Apr 2008
          • 6014

          #19
          Right you are.
          And the thread is page 7 of MJK.

          The main point being about the way the killer gained access to the abdomen.

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          • Hatchett
            Detective
            • Sep 2009
            • 425

            #20
            Hi DVV,

            Many thanks.

            Best wishes.

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            • DVV
              Suspended
              • Apr 2008
              • 6014

              #21
              Originally posted by Hatchett View Post
              Hi DVV,

              Sorry. But isnt that what friends are for?

              Best wishes.
              No. Friends do exist to invite me more single malts.

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              • Errata
                Assistant Commissioner
                • Sep 2010
                • 3060

                #22
                Originally posted by DVV View Post
                Hi gentlemen

                Mary has long been proven a ripper victim. This isn't an opinion.
                Well, to be frank, it is an opinion until the killer is positively identified. I will certainly stipulate that some of the forensic evidence is certainly consistent with the other murders, however there are also differences. Some of the differences seem to me to be quite significant. So for now I doubt. I'm willing to be proven wrong, however I would also require an explanation for the differences I see in her murder. And I have not yet seen a satisfactory explanation. For what it's worth.

                Also, not to be picky, but if you included me in the salutation of "gentlemen" I am in fact of the female persuasion. While I thoroughly appreciate such a respectful moniker, a gender appropriate one in the future would be nice. Not your fault, just thought it bore mentioning.
                The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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                • DVV
                  Suspended
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 6014

                  #23
                  Hello Madame Errata

                  yes, forensic evidence tells us she's a ripper victim. The way the killer gained access to the abdomen is almost a bis repetita of the Chapman case - Chapman being the "benchmark".
                  That said, all murders are different from a forensic point of view, so these differences wouldn't exclude Kelly more than any other canonical.

                  The BIG difference with Mary Kelly is that she's not a random victim. But that, I concede, is just my opinion.

                  Pace e salute.

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                  • Errata
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 3060

                    #24
                    Originally posted by DVV View Post
                    Hello Madame Errata

                    yes, forensic evidence tells us she's a ripper victim. The way the killer gained access to the abdomen is almost a bis repetita of the Chapman case - Chapman being the "benchmark".
                    That said, all murders are different from a forensic point of view, so these differences wouldn't exclude Kelly more than any other canonical.

                    The BIG difference with Mary Kelly is that she's not a random victim. But that, I concede, is just my opinion.

                    Pace e salute.
                    ooh.. madame... I could get used to that.

                    See, for me the big difference is almost the same as yours. I don't think she was randomly chosen. But the extent of sexually oriented mutilation is so vastly different that it is hard for me to match her murder to the almost clinical mutilation of Chapman. But as with you, just my opinion.
                    The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

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                    • DVV
                      Suspended
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 6014

                      #25
                      Madame Errata

                      I don't think she was randomly chosen
                      ...neither do I, and that can explain why

                      the mutilation is so vastly different
                      ...and why he could have stopped.

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                      • bolo
                        Detective
                        • Apr 2008
                        • 452

                        #26
                        Got caught and/or died.
                        ~ All perils, specially malignant, are recurrent - Thomas De Quincey ~

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                        • merlyn555
                          Cadet
                          • May 2011
                          • 21

                          #27
                          Serial killers never stop unless they are captured or dead. They do though take breaks sometimes for as long as 10 years.

                          Look at BTK, Rader was able to control his killing like a light switch. the intresting thing is that it seems they can"t really just turn off the actual killing but they substitute it with role playing and memories and other forms of new thrills like taunting the police and public with the fact that he is still around by sending letters etc.

                          The trick here is did JtR die before he could kill again or did he take a break and die during that break?

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                          • Richard E. Nixon
                            Cadet
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 20

                            #28
                            We'll never know why he stopped. The reasons already listed are all very probable. I think it's also possible that The Ripper stopped because it was getting too hot. Too many close calls with getting caught finally scared him into getting a degree of control over himself.

                            Is it also possible that maybe "his people" - his family, roommates, individuals who knew him, etc. - made it impossible for him to continue killing? Kind of like when an alcoholic's family doesn't let the addict out of their site, making it impossible to drink.

                            Just a thought.

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                            • lynn cates
                              Commisioner
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 13841

                              #29
                              start and stop

                              Hello Richard. There's a thought. One might, however, ask another question: Did "Jack" ever start?

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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                              • Trevor Marriott
                                Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 9486

                                #30
                                Originally posted by merlyn555 View Post
                                Serial killers never stop unless they are captured or dead. They do though take breaks sometimes for as long as 10 years.

                                Look at BTK, Rader was able to control his killing like a light switch. the intresting thing is that it seems they can"t really just turn off the actual killing but they substitute it with role playing and memories and other forms of new thrills like taunting the police and public with the fact that he is still around by sending letters etc.

                                The trick here is did JtR die before he could kill again or did he take a break and die during that break?
                                Or did he change the locations of his killing ground and continue to kill ?

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