Jack the Ripper(s)

[mariab]

They'll most definitely buy your book anyway. You can't compare an entire, structured, well-written book to a casebook thread, which will get highjacked and misdirected by random posters sooner or later.
Tom, you're at least as paranoid as All the President's men. ;-)

[DVV]

From experience, I must say that a well written ripper-book will never be translated into French.
But who cares about French market...?

[Tom_Wescott]

Paranoid

No, you're just really bad at interpreting people's motives and meaning through the written word. My point was that I can't be arsed, not that I'm worried they'll steal it. Having said that, prior to the publication of my Le Grand essay, I hinted that Debra Arif had made a bombshell discovery relating to the Batty Street Lodger. Instead of respecting our right to first publication, a poster and blogger whom we'll call 'Dyke Shovell' used my hints to find the article and post it on jtrforums. So, if anything, I proved to be naive.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mariab
As of Lusk having been the dupe, I find it suspicious that he cooked the books prior to his own bankruptcy, but I guess that lots of Victorians cooked their books.

I didn't say he 'cooked' the books, I said that's the worst interpretation you could place on it. He may have just been a lowsy book keeper. His wife died from complications from diabetes in April of 1888.

I wasn't quoting you, I got my information from an old thread with Monty's research on Lusk's bankruptcy. Very stupidly I haven't transfered the relevant newspaper quotes in my notes. Real sloppy work here, but at least it's easy to find the info again, by visiting the thread in question. It might be that Lusk was so overwhelmed by his wife's death that he was unable to take care of his responsibilities, but I don't think that the bad bookkeeping referred to just 1887, when his wife was sick.

No, you're just really bad at interpreting people's motives and meaning through the written word. My point was that I can't be arsed

A hilarious claim, and you'd be the first and only to ever have thought that. Also, I was mostly teasing with the “paranoid“, which I happen to believe that it's a pretty healthy state of mind myself. Nobody in this thread is trying to “arse“ you, Tom, whatever that might mean. I think that David and Abby have been very respectful and encourageing, and David's suggestion for a new thread was completely innocent of ulterior motives.

not that I'm worried they'll steal it. Having said that, prior to the publication of my Le Grand essay, I hinted that Debra Arif had made a bombshell discovery relating to the Batty Street Lodger. Instead of respecting our right to first publication, a poster and blogger whom we'll call 'Dyke Shovell' used my hints to find the article and post it on jtrforums. So, if anything, I proved to be naive.

I've figured out to whom you're referring here, about which I've wondered in the past, possessing incomplete info. (Which pretty much disproves your inane claim that I'm “really bad at interpreting people's motives and meaning through the written word“). And it's still possible to announce a discovery on the boards carefully, with insufficient hints, you know.

[Tom_Wescott]

A hilarious claim, and you'd be the first and only to ever have thought that. Also, I was mostly teasing with the “paranoid“, which I happen to believe that it's a pretty healthy state of mind myself. Nobody in this thread is trying to “arse“ you, Tom, whatever that might mean. I think that David and Abby have been very respectful and encourageing, and David's suggestion for a new thread was completely innocent of ulterior motives.

Ugh. Yes, everyone on this thread has been great. 'I can't be arsed' is something Brits say. It means I can't be bothered. I think a thread of my full theory would just bring out the wolves and not result in anything worthwhile.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

'I can't be arsed' is something Brits say. It means I can't be bothered.

THAT's what it means? I've been going around all these years thinking that it meant the exact same thing as in German, i.e., “Not gonna get fooled by nobody“. The Germans say “Willst du mich verarschen?“, which means “Are you pulling my leg?“ in a not so friendly way.
U-uh. I'm starting to place some old conversations with Brits in a slightly different context.

'I think a thread of my full theory would just bring out the wolves and not result in anything worthwhile.

Agree.

[Wickerman]

... I think a thread of my full theory would just bring out the wolves and not result in anything worthwhile.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I hadn't realized you had changed your theory/suspect (but its been a few years), so is there even an outline of what is known about LeGrand, without your suspicions?

I looked for a thread and when I read this:

'Le Grand' was the stupidest crook that ever was born.
Oh, I'll just go and terrorise Lady So and So in Grosvenor Square.
Yeah, sure.

I figured there must be a source available somewhere?

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Wickerman. Where indeed have you been all this time? I published a 52 page essay in Casebook Examiner #2. It's written to be a primer, in more or less a 'just the facts' approach, with a LITTLE theorizing thrown in. The fun stuff is saved for my book. My hope was that by putting all the known data on Le Grand up to this point in the journal, that another Debra Arif would be inspired and help me look and find yet more info. Still waiting for that to happen. Mainly, I was just educated about the spelling of 'stationery', which I screwed up.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Wickerman]

Hi Wickerman. Where indeed have you been all this time? I published a 52 page essay in Casebook Examiner #2.
Yours truly,
Tom Wescott

Well, you know how it goes, same old questions, same old arguments, around & around it goes. I needed another hiatus!
So, I thought to once again see if something 'new' has turned up, and it appears you have something, so I'm intrigued.

[Tom_Wescott]

Yeah, you should get the first year (6 issues) of Examiner. I published a lot of good stuff in there. I'm certain you'd enjoy 'Exonerating Michael Kidney' which can be found in the first issue. Oh, and other people published some good essays as well. The legendary Don Souden is the editor, who made Ripper history by being the only journal editor without a beard. It wasn't easy, but he knew someone had to do it.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[mariab]

The legendary Don Souden, who made Ripper history by being the only journal editor without a beard.

This is quite an accomplishment indeed, and the bearless part is uncannily original.

that another Debra Arif would be inspired and help me look and find yet more info. Still waiting for that to happen.

As far as I know, Debra Arif is still researching Le Grand, and quite formidably.
But don't lose hope on some additional help by the new generation.

[Wickerman]

Joseph Aaron personally knew the Marsh's, so it certainly wasn't he who went in there. Marsh and Aaron's were neighbors, and anyway I doubt Aarons was 6ft tall. Le Grand fits the physical description of the man who visited Marsh, as does his underling Scanlan (who is discussed in my essay), so I'd say the man was most likely one of these guys. Lusk was further stalked and had to request police protection. He subsequently discovered that Le Grand was stalking him (or, more than likely, having him stalked) and went to Le Grand's house to confront him. Le Grand pulled a gun on him and terrorized Lusk, but the stalking stopped.

Tom, the above reads like it is taken from statements, newspapers, or police records.
Without questioning your claim I would like to know how the above was determind.
By the way, are there any photo's of LeGrand?

........ But see, if I keep putting everything I've got in essays and on these threads, no one will buy my book!

Don't you ever turn a prospective book over and read the summary on the back jacket?
Would you buy any book without having some idea what the book is about?

[mariab]

the above reads like it is taken from statements, newspapers, or police records.Without questioning your claim I would like to know how the above was determind.

From newspapers reports and the inquiry.

By the way, are there any photo's of LeGrand?

There are sketches (at least one).

[Wickerman]

Thankyou Maria.
So briefly then, as this is an 'accomplice' thread. Who's the accomplice & who is the murderer(s)? And what is the basic theory behind LeGrand's involvement?

[mariab]

Le Grand had several accomplices. The story on him is pretty long. It's best if you consulted Ripper Notes 25 (in print) and Examiner 2 (electronic).