Escalation: What would Jack do after Mary Kelly?

[GBinOz]

I've read about this in Wiki article which seems quite detailed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Henry_Bury
There you can find:

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The Courier alleged that Bury admitted to Lieutenant Parr that he was Jack the Ripper,[80] but Parr's version of the story says only that Bury said he was afraid he would be arrested as Jack the Ripper.[81] Bury denied any connection, despite making a full confession to his wife's murder. Nevertheless, the executioner James Berry promoted the idea that Bury was the Ripper.[68]

When Berry wrote his memoirs some years later there was not even a mention of Bury.

This is also from Wikipedia:

"A few days before the execution, Bury confessed to Reverend Gough that he had killed Ellen. At the urging of Gough, William wrote a confession on 22 April 1889, which he asked to be withheld until after he was dead. William claimed that he had strangled Ellen without premeditation on the night of 4 February 1889 during a drunken row over money, and that he had tried to dismember the body for disposal the next day but was too squeamish to continue. The latter part of this confession does not match the expert testimony of the physicians, who said that the incisions were made "within at most ten minutes of the time of death" rather than the next day. William stated he had stuffed Ellen's body into the crate as part of a later plan for disposal, but instead concocted the suicide story when he realised that Ellen's absence would be noted.".

Could a "squeamish" person perpetrate the injuries visited upon Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly?

There is no evidence that Bury murdered anyone but his wife.

[John Wheat]

When Berry wrote his memoirs some years later there was not even a mention of Bury.

This is also from Wikipedia:

"A few days before the execution, Bury confessed to Reverend Gough that he had killed Ellen. At the urging of Gough, William wrote a confession on 22 April 1889, which he asked to be withheld until after he was dead. William claimed that he had strangled Ellen without premeditation on the night of 4 February 1889 during a drunken row over money, and that he had tried to dismember the body for disposal the next day but was too squeamish to continue. The latter part of this confession does not match the expert testimony of the physicians, who said that the incisions were made "within at most ten minutes of the time of death" rather than the next day. William stated he had stuffed Ellen's body into the crate as part of a later plan for disposal, but instead concocted the suicide story when he realised that Ellen's absence would be noted.".

Could a "squeamish" person perpetrate the injuries visited upon Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly?

There is no evidence that Bury murdered anyone but his wife.

There are only a few suspects who murdered anyone though. Also people keep mentioning Unknown Suspect as if a magic suspect who ticks all the boxes is going to appear. This I'm afraid isn't going to happen. And even if they did few would believe they were the Ripper anyway.

[GBinOz]

There are only a few suspects who murdered anyone though. Also people keep mentioning Unknown Suspect as if a magic suspect who ticks all the boxes is going to appear. This I'm afraid isn't going to happen. And even if they did few would believe they were the Ripper anyway.

Hi John,

There are only a few suspects who murdered anyone that we know about. While we have a list of named suspects, the smart money is on someone who blends into the crowd - unnamed, unknown and chuckling at our efforts.

Cheers, George

[John Wheat]

Hi John,

There are only a few suspects who murdered anyone that we know about. While we have a list of named suspects, the smart money is on someone who blends into the crowd - unnamed, unknown and chuckling at our efforts.

Cheers, George

But Bury would blend into the crowd. He was a nobody, a loser.

[DJA]

Looks like staying that way!

[John Wheat]

Looks like staying that way!

I know that. Bury may have been Jack the Ripper though unlike your ridiculous surgeon suspect.

[GBinOz]

I know that. Bury may have been Jack the Ripper though unlike your ridiculous surgeon suspect.

There is no evidence that Bury killed anyone but his wife. There is no need to disparage other's suspects because your own single suspect lacks evidence of guilt. Being a nobody and a loser, not to mention a drunken wife beater, is not a qualification for being a serial killer that evaded all attempts at capture.

[John Wheat]

There is no evidence that Bury killed anyone but his wife. There is no need to disparage other's suspects because your own single suspect lacks evidence of guilt. Being a nobody and a loser, not to mention a drunken wife beater, is not a qualification for being a serial killer that evaded all attempts at capture.

Maybe I wouldn't be so disparaging of certain suspects if certain people's attitude was a bit more pleasant. Also it's obvious to me that Bury is the best suspect by some distance even if it's not apparent to you.

[GBinOz]

Maybe I wouldn't be so disparaging of certain suspects if certain people's attitude was a bit more pleasant. Also it's obvious to me that Bury is the best suspect by some distance even if it's not apparent to you.

Hi John,

I have observed that you are disparaging of any suspect that is not Bury. I am sorry that you find non acquiescence to your theory to be unpleasant. It was apparent to the police at the time that Bury was not the ripper, and the local press described him as "a tired, inconsequential, weak little man" and "Brainless and heartless". To paraphrase many of your posts, there is no evidence that Bury murdered anyone but his wife.

Cheers, George

[I1ariusz]

"a tired, inconsequential, weak little man" and "Brainless and heartless"...

Hi George, that would actually fit real Ripper preatty well. But I'm also a bit sceptical about Bury. I would rather suspect someone who's far more extensive in his mutilation (his wife's wounds were not really that deep). We don't see that much of anger as in Eddowes and Kelly murders. By killing his wife we should see depersonalization with cutting up face (which was apparent in Eddowes and Kelly murders). Ripper clearly hated and despised his victims - I think that FBI agent suggested that we should see somekind of bragging about his murders when he was cought. If Bury was so volient towards his wife we should see similar hatred and lack of remorse. I remember when Robert Napper made note about one of his potential victim calling her "sodden and filthy bitch". It's that kind of hatred.

Ofc his profile is close to the Ripper profile and he could be researched further. With Ripper we don't really have anything certain. Many things are a matter of speculation.
I am myself more into Kosminsky/Cohen or someone similar category: low-class, mentally disturbed, young and without any real anatomical knowledge, deep hatred and fear of women.

[John Wheat]

Hi John,

I have observed that you are disparaging of any suspect that is not Bury. I am sorry that you find non acquiescence to your theory to be unpleasant. It was apparent to the police at the time that Bury was not the ripper, and the local press described him as "a tired, inconsequential, weak little man" and "Brainless and heartless". To paraphrase many of your posts, there is no evidence that Bury murdered anyone but his wife.

Cheers, George

Hi George

I'm not disparaging of any suspect that isn't Bury. I find other proven violent murderers to be good suspects such as Kelly. The Police at the time dismissing Bury does not mean he wasn't the Ripper. The Police dismissed Peter Sutcliffe as the Yorkshire Ripper and they had more idea about serial killers than the Police in the late 1800's. Im not sure how you think a tired, inconsequential, weak little man couldn't be the Ripper. That is exactly the type of man the Ripper would be.

Cheers John

[Abby Normal]

im with john on this one.

I think bury and kelly are two of the best suspects we have for the ripper. eventhough wc was a violent place, murder was relatively rare and these two men showed tje propensity for murder. with knife no less on a woman. and bury did post mortem mutilation to the midsection (very rare)like the ripper, both were in the area, both fit the general profile of the local avg joe, and both were persons of interest by the police. and no, bury was not cleared -unlike how pizer was and ostrog later nor did the police as a whole not think he was the ripper. a couple of police officers and some in the press didnt think he was the ripper. big difference.

and re the press descriptions of bury...sounds like dennis rader, chikatilo, gein, dahmer, willam suff, kemper, the gsk, etc etc.