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I'd thought id share this snippit of infomation i found on another site dedicated to worming out JtR, there is an entire page on this subject, i will just duplicate the main points we have been discussing on this thread:
Misconceptions concerning the Whitechapel Murders 1888
#11: JtR was a sexual serial killer.
Professor Jeremy Coid, forensic psychiatrist, stated recently of all the murders, "There's nothing in terms of the evidence available at that time which shows without a doubt that these crimes were committed by somebody in a state of sexual arousal. There weren't actually objects inserted into the body; there was no evidence of semen at the scene of the crime." Coroner Wynne Baxter, presiding over the inquest on Chapman, stated that the desire to possess the missing organ had been the object of the attack and the theft of the two rings was an attempt to disguise the true motive which was simply to obtain her womb. Dr Brown wrote, "The parts removed would have no use for any professional purpose." In fact, one could purchase such body parts (or a complete body) at the time without the need to murder for them. Instead of taking this case on its own merits as one should Ripperologists are in the habit of making comparisons between JtR and other modern day sexual serial killers thus assuming that the missing body parts were taken as mere trophies. The problem is that with the Ripper case comparisons are always being made with sexual serial killers of the 20th century and because one or two similarities may exist in certain areas it is assumed that JtR must have been a sexual serial killer. Anyone can find one or two comparisons between crimes but that does not signify that the motive is the same. The only reasons why it was ever assumed incorrectly that the Ripper was a sexual predator was because his victims were prostitutes and that four of his five victims had their sexual areas attacked, while two uteri were cut out and taken. He also took a heart and a kidney from his victims. There is far more evidence to show an occultist at work here than there is for a case to be made against a sexual serial killer.
1. Four victims were found at the four points of a cross which is the hallmark of an occultist committing ritual sacrifice.
2. Sexual serial killers persist in their crimes until they are caught. JtR stopped with his fifth victim and occult ritual sacrifice can decree a set number of victims.
3. Two strange ^ ^ shaped symbols were cut into the cheeks of the fourth victim, Eddowes, and two vertical lines were cut into her eyelids.
4. The uterus was taken from Chapman and Eddowes. In the occult, two uteri are required in the preparation of holy candles, which are placed in crescent-shaped candle holders for use in occult rituals.
5. Throat cutting and mutilation of the dead are part and parcel of occult ritual practises.
6. A heart and a kidney were taken from two victims and in occult ritual practises such items have varied uses.
7. In occult sacrificial practises profanation of Christian religious symbols are required and in the Ripper murders two Christian symbols were profaned. One was the Christian cross while the other symbol profaned was the sign of the fish, Vesica Piscis, hence the 5th murder at Millers Court.
8. Police Commissioner Warren wrote a letter on 12 October 1888, which read in part, "As Mr Matthews is aware, I have for some time past been inclined to the idea that the murders having been done by a secret society is the only logical solution to the question." Mr Henry Matthews was the Home Secretary at the time of the murders.
#14: JtR possessed no medical knowledge.
This argument is usually put forward by those who have a pet suspect who had no medical background so to overcome this hurdle they simply ignore or attempt to discredit the evidence. They then pick and choose information to tailor their suspect's requirements. It appears to be general practise for many authors / Ripperologists on the subject to first pick a likely suspect from the endless list only to proceed further by weaving a story around them until it appears to fit to their requirements. These people have not ascertained the correct motive before looking for the man. I shall endeavour to give both sides of the evidence pertaining to the killers anatomical knowledge and let the reader decide the issue.
Acting Commissioner, City of London Police, Sir Henry Smith, was quoted in the People of Sunday, 9 June 1912, as saying that the killer was a gentile and he possessed anatomical knowledge. In a report written by Chief Inspector Swanson, on 6 November 1888, he stated that the medical evidence showed that the murder of Eddowes could have been committed by a properly trained surgeon or a student in surgery.
In the case of Nichols, Bucks Row, Whitechapel. Dr Llewellyn pronounced Nichols dead his original autopsy report has since been lost. The Times reported his medical testimony which did not include any information relating to the killer's medical skill. The Times report did suggest that the injuries were performed from left to right and may have been done by a left handed person. The swollen face of the victim and lack of blood indicated asphyxiation. Vital organs were attacked indicating that the killer knew exactly where they were located.
In the case of Chapman, 29 Hanbury St, Spitalfields. Dr Philips pronounced Chapman dead and at the post-mortem he was of the opinion that there were indications of anatomical knowledge which were only less indicated in consequence of haste. He believed the murder weapon to be such an instrument as a medical man used for post-mortem purposes. The mode in which the absent portions were extracted showed some anatomical knowledge. Dr. Philips was of the opinion that the breathing of the deceased had been interfered with prior to the cause of death due to "syncope". On 19 September1888, Dr Philips was recalled to give evidence in relation to the after-death mutilations omitted from his evidence on 14 September. He noted that the work was probably completed by an expert (no adjacent organs were damaged during the attack) He also noted that the way the knife had been wielded pointed to knowledge of anatomy and was such as used by surgeons in post-mortems. Dr Phillips thought the killer could not have performed all the injuries he described, even without a struggle, under a quarter of an hour. If the killer had performed the mutilations in a deliberate way, as would fall to the duties of a surgeon, it probably would have taken him the best part of an hour. The coroner Wynne Baxter concluded that Chapman's killer was a medical man.
In the case of Stride, Dutfields Yard, Whitechapel. Dr. Blackwell pronounced Stride dead. He stated Stride had been killed standing up and believed the blood on her right hand indicated a struggle. Dr Phillips carried out the post- mortem with Dr Blackwell in attendance. Phillips disagreed with Blackwell's findings and believed Stride was seized by the shoulders, pressed on the ground, and that the killer was on the left side when he cut her throat while she was lying on the ground. He could not explain how the victim's hand had become covered in blood. Dr Blackwell later concurred with the findings of Dr Phillips. The only injury to Stride was a cut throat, so the question of the killer having showed medical knowledge in this case was virtually non-existent.
In the case of Eddowes, Mitre Square, Aldgate. Dr Sequeira and police surgeon Dr. Gordon Brown were called out to the crime scene. Brown's post-mortem report can be seen at the C.L.R. [or here] It is interesting to note that Dr. Brown observed that there was no sign of sexual connection. He wrote, "I believe the perpetrator of the act must have had considerable knowledge of the positions of the organs in the abdominal cavity and the way of removing them." He also wrote, "It required a great deal of medical knowledge to have removed the kidney and to knowwhere it was placed." Drs Sequeira and Sedgewick Saunders did not believe much expertise was shown by the killer. Coroner Wynne Baxter believed the killer of Eddowes to be an unskilled imitator. An interesting comment made by Brown, considering the severe nature of the crime, was that the killer would have little blood on his person.
In the case of Kelly, 13 Millers Court, Dorset St, Spitalfields. Dr Bond was called to the crime scene and his post-mortem report was lost and then returned to Scotland Yard in the 1980s. This case was the most severe in respect of mutilations, but Dr. Bond stated that the killer would not necessarily be splashed or be covered in blood. He stated the killer to be a man of physical strength and of great coolness and daring. Dr Phillips believed medical skill was shown in the murder of Kelly while Dr. Bond did not.
Misconceptions concerning the Whitechapel Murders 1888
#11: JtR was a sexual serial killer.
Professor Jeremy Coid, forensic psychiatrist, stated recently of all the murders, "There's nothing in terms of the evidence available at that time which shows without a doubt that these crimes were committed by somebody in a state of sexual arousal. There weren't actually objects inserted into the body; there was no evidence of semen at the scene of the crime." Coroner Wynne Baxter, presiding over the inquest on Chapman, stated that the desire to possess the missing organ had been the object of the attack and the theft of the two rings was an attempt to disguise the true motive which was simply to obtain her womb. Dr Brown wrote, "The parts removed would have no use for any professional purpose." In fact, one could purchase such body parts (or a complete body) at the time without the need to murder for them. Instead of taking this case on its own merits as one should Ripperologists are in the habit of making comparisons between JtR and other modern day sexual serial killers thus assuming that the missing body parts were taken as mere trophies. The problem is that with the Ripper case comparisons are always being made with sexual serial killers of the 20th century and because one or two similarities may exist in certain areas it is assumed that JtR must have been a sexual serial killer. Anyone can find one or two comparisons between crimes but that does not signify that the motive is the same. The only reasons why it was ever assumed incorrectly that the Ripper was a sexual predator was because his victims were prostitutes and that four of his five victims had their sexual areas attacked, while two uteri were cut out and taken. He also took a heart and a kidney from his victims. There is far more evidence to show an occultist at work here than there is for a case to be made against a sexual serial killer.
1. Four victims were found at the four points of a cross which is the hallmark of an occultist committing ritual sacrifice.
2. Sexual serial killers persist in their crimes until they are caught. JtR stopped with his fifth victim and occult ritual sacrifice can decree a set number of victims.
3. Two strange ^ ^ shaped symbols were cut into the cheeks of the fourth victim, Eddowes, and two vertical lines were cut into her eyelids.
4. The uterus was taken from Chapman and Eddowes. In the occult, two uteri are required in the preparation of holy candles, which are placed in crescent-shaped candle holders for use in occult rituals.
5. Throat cutting and mutilation of the dead are part and parcel of occult ritual practises.
6. A heart and a kidney were taken from two victims and in occult ritual practises such items have varied uses.
7. In occult sacrificial practises profanation of Christian religious symbols are required and in the Ripper murders two Christian symbols were profaned. One was the Christian cross while the other symbol profaned was the sign of the fish, Vesica Piscis, hence the 5th murder at Millers Court.
8. Police Commissioner Warren wrote a letter on 12 October 1888, which read in part, "As Mr Matthews is aware, I have for some time past been inclined to the idea that the murders having been done by a secret society is the only logical solution to the question." Mr Henry Matthews was the Home Secretary at the time of the murders.
#14: JtR possessed no medical knowledge.
This argument is usually put forward by those who have a pet suspect who had no medical background so to overcome this hurdle they simply ignore or attempt to discredit the evidence. They then pick and choose information to tailor their suspect's requirements. It appears to be general practise for many authors / Ripperologists on the subject to first pick a likely suspect from the endless list only to proceed further by weaving a story around them until it appears to fit to their requirements. These people have not ascertained the correct motive before looking for the man. I shall endeavour to give both sides of the evidence pertaining to the killers anatomical knowledge and let the reader decide the issue.
Acting Commissioner, City of London Police, Sir Henry Smith, was quoted in the People of Sunday, 9 June 1912, as saying that the killer was a gentile and he possessed anatomical knowledge. In a report written by Chief Inspector Swanson, on 6 November 1888, he stated that the medical evidence showed that the murder of Eddowes could have been committed by a properly trained surgeon or a student in surgery.
In the case of Nichols, Bucks Row, Whitechapel. Dr Llewellyn pronounced Nichols dead his original autopsy report has since been lost. The Times reported his medical testimony which did not include any information relating to the killer's medical skill. The Times report did suggest that the injuries were performed from left to right and may have been done by a left handed person. The swollen face of the victim and lack of blood indicated asphyxiation. Vital organs were attacked indicating that the killer knew exactly where they were located.
In the case of Chapman, 29 Hanbury St, Spitalfields. Dr Philips pronounced Chapman dead and at the post-mortem he was of the opinion that there were indications of anatomical knowledge which were only less indicated in consequence of haste. He believed the murder weapon to be such an instrument as a medical man used for post-mortem purposes. The mode in which the absent portions were extracted showed some anatomical knowledge. Dr. Philips was of the opinion that the breathing of the deceased had been interfered with prior to the cause of death due to "syncope". On 19 September1888, Dr Philips was recalled to give evidence in relation to the after-death mutilations omitted from his evidence on 14 September. He noted that the work was probably completed by an expert (no adjacent organs were damaged during the attack) He also noted that the way the knife had been wielded pointed to knowledge of anatomy and was such as used by surgeons in post-mortems. Dr Phillips thought the killer could not have performed all the injuries he described, even without a struggle, under a quarter of an hour. If the killer had performed the mutilations in a deliberate way, as would fall to the duties of a surgeon, it probably would have taken him the best part of an hour. The coroner Wynne Baxter concluded that Chapman's killer was a medical man.
In the case of Stride, Dutfields Yard, Whitechapel. Dr. Blackwell pronounced Stride dead. He stated Stride had been killed standing up and believed the blood on her right hand indicated a struggle. Dr Phillips carried out the post- mortem with Dr Blackwell in attendance. Phillips disagreed with Blackwell's findings and believed Stride was seized by the shoulders, pressed on the ground, and that the killer was on the left side when he cut her throat while she was lying on the ground. He could not explain how the victim's hand had become covered in blood. Dr Blackwell later concurred with the findings of Dr Phillips. The only injury to Stride was a cut throat, so the question of the killer having showed medical knowledge in this case was virtually non-existent.
In the case of Eddowes, Mitre Square, Aldgate. Dr Sequeira and police surgeon Dr. Gordon Brown were called out to the crime scene. Brown's post-mortem report can be seen at the C.L.R. [or here] It is interesting to note that Dr. Brown observed that there was no sign of sexual connection. He wrote, "I believe the perpetrator of the act must have had considerable knowledge of the positions of the organs in the abdominal cavity and the way of removing them." He also wrote, "It required a great deal of medical knowledge to have removed the kidney and to knowwhere it was placed." Drs Sequeira and Sedgewick Saunders did not believe much expertise was shown by the killer. Coroner Wynne Baxter believed the killer of Eddowes to be an unskilled imitator. An interesting comment made by Brown, considering the severe nature of the crime, was that the killer would have little blood on his person.
In the case of Kelly, 13 Millers Court, Dorset St, Spitalfields. Dr Bond was called to the crime scene and his post-mortem report was lost and then returned to Scotland Yard in the 1980s. This case was the most severe in respect of mutilations, but Dr. Bond stated that the killer would not necessarily be splashed or be covered in blood. He stated the killer to be a man of physical strength and of great coolness and daring. Dr Phillips believed medical skill was shown in the murder of Kelly while Dr. Bond did not.
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