Diagnosis

[FrankO]

Odd that you think he was exploring the female body. Any reason behind it besides intuition?

It’s not intuition, Corey. In addition to Hunter's remarks, it’s natural for adolescent blokes to want to explore the female body. If a guy misses out on that chance because he just doesn’t have the proper social skills to get into any normal relationship with a girl/woman or to even interact with them in a normal way, he might want to get what he wants in another very twisted way, depending on his likes, like digging a knife into the feminine parts of their victim and cutting them, or even cutting them off.

Another thing is that, in 2 cases of mutilation of the female body in Ripper style, the opinion of the psychologists involved in those cases was that the mutilations were at least partly caused by curiosity about the female body.

All the best,
Frank

[corey123]

Hi Frank,

Yes your right, but that is still speculation. The fact that the victims were cut open "ripper style" can indicate many many things.

Thanks

p.s Hunter, have you voted?

[FrankO]

Thanks for the compliment, Hunter.

I agree that this guy was very lucky indeed, too. Anybody could have walked into the scene at any given moment, which is why I believe he didn't completely focus on what he was doing to his victims but also kept an eye and ear out for his surroundings.

All the best,
Frank

[corey123]

Hi Frank, Hunter,

Especially in the Mitre Square murder. This guy had his brains about him.

Yours trully

[FrankO]

It's all speculation, Corey, but at least it's based on the opinion of 2 psychologists.

Best,
Frank

[corey123]

Hi Frank,

That it is. But psychologists can speculate too.

I am not saying I disagree with you, only that it is hard to detail what purpose the mutilations had unless we had the killer.

[Hunter]

My profile

White
Male
Aged between 28 and 36
Local whitechapel or spitalfields resident
Weekly employed
Eccentric in his behavior
Neat and organised( in his daily life, not meaning he was a fully organised killer)
Outgoing, very socialy acceptable indavidual(meaning, like Frank said, inoffensive)
May or may not have been incarcerated between Sep 31 and Nov 8.
May perhaps shows some Narcissistic qualities
Not married
Never sired a child

I think I would agree with all of that. But I'm not sure if the common perception that he had his wits about him is correct. That is why, I believe in many ways he was just lucky. This acting out his fantasy would be progressive, starting with something innoculous, then developing to acting it out with violence that would increase over time as he got more bold.

My personal belief, if one thinks that Kelly was his last murder, is that he came totally unravelled after that and couldn't function anymore with any degree of apparent normal behaviour to those around him. In other words, he finally went off the deep end and was incarcerated for some lesser offense or was institutionalized. I don't believe he commited suicide or would have stopped otherwise.

Corey, you may enjoy the book " The cases that haunt us" by John Douglas, who worked for the FBI on many serial killer cases and was involved in the profiling of Jack the Ripper.

[corey123]

Hi Hunter,

I personally think he did have his wits about him. Of coarse, this debate is just like the debate of weather Jack killer Stride or not, or weather he had anatomical knowledge. I think his, need I call it sucess, is due to both luck and wits.

I think I would love that book.

[Sam Flynn]

this debate is just like the debate of weather Jack killer Stride or not, or weather he had anatomical knowledge.

It's rather different, as I see it, Corey. When discussing whom he might/might not have killed, or the skill with which he removed organs, we can at least base our argument on documented physical evidence. However, when it comes to discussing the mental, rather than the physical, we're on decidedly more speculative ground.

[corey123]

It's rather different, as I see it, Corey. When discussing whom he might/might not have killed, or the skill with which he removed organs, we can at least base our argument on documented physical evidence. However, when it comes to discussing the mental, rather than the physical, we're on decidedly more speculative ground.

Hi Sam,

Maybe, but it is still all speculative. Psychology is just as chemistry was, or any other science.

As we will most likely never know how many he killed, we are speculating. I will agree about the anatomical knowledge.

I guess it is just my personal perspective. Anyways, do you have any prefered choice on his psychological state> If so, I would love it if you voted.

Yours truly

[corey123]

Bumping.

[Versa]

Almost impossible to diagnose a person from his crimes alone but im going to hazzard a guess that he MAY of suffered from some type of personality disorder

eg: Schizotypal personality disorder, Sadistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder and psychopathy or a mixture of them (ie traits from each).


He also MAY of had some temporal lobe dysfunction.

Personally I can't see evidence of narcissism in the crimes themselves or of narcissistic personality disorder

[corey123]

Hello Versa,

I would think that if he had a temperal lobe lesion the crimes would seem more haphazzard. I don't belive they would have been as deliberate as the five murders were and I personally don't belive, that if it were the case, we would find any organ theft occuring. Anyways, the plain fact that in the two of the early killings the neck was severed twice is an indicater that the killer was consious of what he was doing.

Yours truly

[lynn cates]

forensics

Hello Corey. Good to see you again. Hope you are well.

I tend to agree with you that, in general, temporal lobe lesion is not likely--except, perhaps, with MJK's assailant.

And you are absolutely right--the first two canonicals nearly had their heads severed. Not so Liz and Kate.

Forensics, eh?

Cheers.
LC

[corey123]

Hello my friend,

Yes forensics, what a wounderful feild. However, animals do tell us a bit about those who kill them. A lamb is a good example. However I do belive this puts the killings in a totally different perspective.

Yours truly