Mad Men- Degrees of Separation

[corey123]

Really

I dont think anyone who commited the crimes of Jack The Ripper could be 'in their right mind'. We arent saying he is insain, actually the opposite, but not all togehter normal.

yours truly

[perrymason]

I think that the actions taken with some of the victims suggest someone who was capable of shuffling off the moralities that we all hold sacred and of being a cold blooded person without compassion, or any obvious guilt or remorse.....but does that make him clinically "mad"?

To kill anyone is wrong of course, but beyond that, since we dont know why he killed anyone...must we assume that the gore level insinuates someone blood thirsty and "mad"?

Ive seen pictures of Victorian era dissecting rooms and some were striking similar to what I see in room 13. Must the students who can stomach this kind of thing also be "mad"?

The assumed "madness" in the case of some Ripper crimes is undoubtedly much more closely linked to the mutilations of the women than it is about the actual murder of them, and in the above case I mentioned, at times we might see images just like the one that Mary Jane presents within very sane, and academic environments of the period.

Best regards all.

[protohistorian]

Hello Michael, I personally do not believe him mad by virtue of the gore, or even the act of killing. I rather suspect that given the role of family and social reinforcement of norms in western societies, that the statistical probability lies in an underlying psychological problem that severely restricts the killers ability to adhere to established social conventions. Respectfully Dave

[corey123]

Kelly

James kelly was a diagnosed schitsophrenic. He was capable to kill in which case a documented murder was commited by him(killing his wife with a pen-knife) on june 21st, 1883. On that date he is heard yelling at her in which he calls her a whore.

His reason for the murder of his wife were that he belived she was a prostitue and had infected him with VD.

The raid on 21 cottage lane on 10th nov, 88 shows that at least some of the met police suspected kelly.

But there is no proof he was in London during the 'ripper scare'.

yours truly

[corey123]

Lynn

I so far havent found any matches of D'Onstons handwriting with any of the letters. I have matched them with my most belived letters(I discarded dear boss you were right, to a point at least ha ha).

yours truly

p.s. still looking for the link of pendantry to phycological disorders.

[lynn cates]

Asperger's Syndrome

Hello Corey. What is the story with Asperger's? I remember hearing about it and thinking it would fit many of my university colleagues.

The best.
LC

[corey123]

Truly

I dont know much about that, give me a second to look it up.

yours truly

[corey123]

A pervasive developmental disorder, Asperger syndrome is distinguished by a pattern of symptoms rather than a single symptom. It is characterized by qualitative impairment in social interaction, by stereotyped and restricted patterns of behavior, activities and interests, and by no clinically significant delay in cognitive development or general delay in language.[4] Intense preoccupation with a narrow subject, one-sided verbosity, restricted prosody, and physical clumsiness are typical of the condition, but are not required for diagnosis.[8]

Social interaction
Further information: Asperger syndrome and interpersonal relationships
The lack of demonstrated empathy is possibly the most dysfunctional aspect of Asperger syndrome.[2] Individuals with AS experience difficulties in basic elements of social interaction, which may include a failure to develop friendships or to seek shared enjoyments or achievements with others (for example, showing others objects of interest), a lack of social or emotional reciprocity, and impaired nonverbal behaviors in areas such as eye contact, facial expression, posture, and gesture.[1]

Unlike those with autism, people with AS are not usually withdrawn around others; they approach others, even if awkwardly. For example a person with AS may engage in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic, while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as a need for privacy or haste to leave.[8] This social awkwardness has been called "active but odd".[1] This failure to react appropriately to social interaction may appear as disregard for other people's feelings, and may come across as insensitive.[8]

The cognitive ability of children with AS often allows them to articulate social norms in a laboratory context,[1] where they may be able to show a theoretical understanding of other people's emotions; however, they typically have difficulty acting on this knowledge in fluid, real-life situations.[8] People with AS may analyze and distill their observation of social interaction into rigid behavioral guidelines, and apply these rules in awkward ways, such as forced eye contact, resulting in a demeanor that appears rigid or socially naive. Childhood desire for companionship can become numbed through a history of failed social encounters.[1]

The hypothesis that individuals with AS are predisposed to violent or criminal behavior has been investigated but is not supported by data.[1][18] More evidence suggests children with AS are victims rather than victimizers.[19] A 2008 review found that an overwhelming number of reported violent criminals with AS had coexisting psychiatric disorders such as schizoaffective disorder.[20]

Restricted and repetitive interests and behavior
People with Asperger syndrome often display behavior, interests, and activities that are restricted and repetitive and are sometimes abnormally intense or focused. They may stick to inflexible routines, move in stereotyped and repetitive ways, or preoccupy themselves with parts of objects.[4]

Pursuit of specific and narrow areas of interest is one of the most striking features of AS.[1] Individuals with AS may collect volumes of detailed information on a relatively narrow topic such as weather data or star names, without necessarily having genuine understanding of the broader topic.[1][8] For example, a child might memorize camera model numbers while caring little about photography.[1] This behavior is usually apparent by grade school, typically age 5 or 6 in the United States.[1] Although these special interests may change from time to time, they typically become more unusual and narrowly focused, and often dominate social interaction so much that the entire family may become immersed. Because narrow topics often capture the interest of children, this symptom may go unrecognized.[8]

Stereotyped and repetitive motor behaviors are a core part of the diagnosis of AS and other ASDs.[21] They include hand movements such as flapping or twisting, and complex whole-body movements.[4] These are typically repeated in longer bursts and look more voluntary or ritualistic than tics, which are usually faster, less rhythmical and less often symmetrical.[22]

Speech and language
Although individuals with Asperger syndrome acquire language skills without significant general delay and their speech typically lacks significant abnormalities, language acquisition and use is often atypical.[8] Abnormalities include verbosity, abrupt transitions, literal interpretations and miscomprehension of nuance, use of metaphor meaningful only to the speaker, auditory perception deficits, unusually pedantic, formal or idiosyncratic speech, and oddities in loudness, pitch, intonation, prosody, and rhythm.[1]

Three aspects of communication patterns are of clinical interest: poor prosody, tangential and circumstantial speech, and marked verbosity. Although inflection and intonation may be less rigid or monotonic than in autism, people with AS often have a limited range of intonation: speech may be unusually fast, jerky or loud. Speech may convey a sense of incoherence; the conversational style often includes monologues about topics that bore the listener, fails to provide context for comments, or fails to suppress internal thoughts. Individuals with AS may fail to monitor whether the listener is interested or engaged in the conversation. The speaker's conclusion or point may never be made, and attempts by the listener to elaborate on the speech's content or logic, or to shift to related topics, are often unsuccessful.[8]

Children with AS may have an unusually sophisticated vocabulary at a young age and have been colloquially called "little professors", but have difficulty understanding figurative language and tend to use language literally.[1] Children with AS appear to have particular weaknesses in areas of nonliteral language that include humor, irony, and teasing. Although individuals with AS usually understand the cognitive basis of humor they seem to lack understanding of the intent of humor to share enjoyment with others.[3] Despite strong evidence of impaired humor appreciation, anecdotal reports of humor in individuals with AS seem to challenge some psychological theories of AS and autism.[23]

Other
Individuals with Asperger syndrome may have signs or symptoms that are independent of the diagnosis, but can affect the individual or the family.[24] These include differences in perception and problems with motor skills, sleep, and emotions.

Individuals with AS often have excellent auditory and visual perception.[25] Children with ASD often demonstrate enhanced perception of small changes in patterns such as arrangements of objects or well-known images; typically this is domain-specific and involves processing of fine-grained features.[26] Conversely, compared to individuals with high-functioning autism, individuals with AS have deficits in some tasks involving visual-spatial perception, auditory perception, or visual memory.[1] Many accounts of individuals with AS and ASD report other unusual sensory and perceptual skills and experiences. They may be unusually sensitive or insensitive to sound, light, and other stimuli;[27] these sensory responses are found in other developmental disorders and are not specific to AS or to ASD. There is little support for increased fight-or-flight response or failure of habituation in autism; there is more evidence of decreased responsiveness to sensory stimuli, although several studies show no differences.[28]

Hans Asperger's initial accounts[1] and other diagnostic schemes[29] include descriptions of physical clumsiness. Children with AS may be delayed in acquiring skills requiring motor dexterity, such as riding a bicycle or opening a jar, and may seem to move awkwardly or feel "uncomfortable in their own skin". They may be poorly coordinated, or have an odd or bouncy gait or posture, poor handwriting, or problems with visual-motor integration.[1][8] They may show problems with proprioception (sensation of body position) on measures of apraxia (motor planning disorder), balance, tandem gait, and finger-thumb apposition. There is no evidence that these motor skills problems differentiate AS from other high-functioning ASDs.[1]

Children with AS are more likely to have sleep problems, including difficulty in falling asleep, frequent nocturnal awakenings, and early morning awakenings.[30][31] AS is also associated with high levels of alexithymia, which is difficulty in identifying and describing one's emotions.[32] Although AS, lower sleep quality, and alexithymia are associated, their causative relationship is unclear.[31]

As with other forms of ASD, parents of children with AS have higher levels of stress.[

[corey123]

Again with kelly

This is kinda off topic but Is on topic as well. I found these census records of people living in Whitechaple in 1891 with the surname kelly. It shows one with the name of James C. Kelly, maybe this is our suspect kelly, maybe not I just thought it was a cool find.


Microfiche number RG12/242, Page 59, 1, Socrates Place, Shoreditch,
87 I William Kelly H M 43 M Looking Glass Fitter (Carver) Ed London

Microfiche number RG12/242, Page 59, 1, Socrates Place, Shoreditch,
87 Elizabeth Kelly W M 33 F Book Folder Ed London, Strand

Microfiche number RG12/242, Page 59, 1, Socrates Place, Shoreditch,
87 William C. Kelly So 11 M Scholar Holborn

Microfiche number RG12/242, Page 59, 1, Socrates Place, Shoreditch,
87 Louisa E. Kelly Da 9 F Scholar Holborn

Microfiche number RG12/242, Page 59, 1, Socrates Place, Shoreditch,
87 Alice M. Kelly Da 3 F Shoreditch

Microfiche number RG12/242, Page 59, 1, Socrates Place, Shoreditch,
87 Elizabeth Kelly Da 1 F Shoreditch

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 80, 2, Crooked Billet Yard, Shoreditch,
173 Eliza Kelly H Wi 54 F London, Hoxton

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 120, 13, Dodsleys Folly, Shoreditch,
127 I Edward Kelly H S 48 M Hawker Ne London, Shoreditch

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 120, 13, Dodsleys Folly, Shoreditch,
127 Henry Kelly Br S 45 M Draper Ed London, Shoreditch

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 141, 6, Suffolk Place, Shoreditch,
22 Louisa Kelly H Wi 52 F Charwoman Ed London, Whitechapel

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 Bernard Kelly H M 45 M Tailor Ed London, Hackney

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 Hester O. Kelly W < 43 F Tailoress Ed London, Shoreditch

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 Bernard J. Kelly So S 17 M Tailor Ed London, Shoreditch

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 James C. Kelly So 14 M Machine Ruler, Print Ed London, Bishopsgate

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 Maud E. Kelly Da 13 F Tailoress Ed London, Aldgate

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 William F. Kelly So 11 M Scholar London, Whitechapel

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 Louisa A. Kelly Da 9 F Scholar London, Shoreditch

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 Alfred P. Kelly So 6 M Scholar London, Shoreditch

Microfiche number RG12/243, Page 366, 70, Granville Buildings, Shoreditch,
86 Amy H. Kelly Da 4 F Scholar London, Shoreditch

yours truly

[lynn cates]

AS

Hello Corey. Thanks. I was right. My fellow professors DO suffer from AS. Come to think of it, so do most ripperologists.

The best.
LC

[corey123]

Anytime

Do you have any thoughts to the census or kelly in particular?

yours truly

[lynn cates]

Kelly

Hello Corey. Not at present. Perhaps I'll be inspired later.

The best.
LC

[corey123]

Ha ha

possibally.

yours truly

[Roy Corduroy]

It shows one with the name of James C. Kelly, maybe this is our suspect kelly, maybe not I just thought it was a cool find.

James C. Kelly So 14 M Machine Ruler

Hi Corey,

Looks like he was the 15 year old son of the family who worked with machines. That's not our suspect, but yes it is a cool find. That's good you can use the census and such. Keep us the search, my friend.

Roy

[corey123]

well

That rules kelly out for the moment, he is still a diagnosed schiztaphrenic.


I think its would help us if we talked about possible motives associated with disorders diagnosed with some of the suspects.

M.J. Druitt- bi-polar.
J. Kelly-paranoid sciztaphrenic.
D'Onston-alchaholic/dilusional.
J. Barnett- possible echolalia(maybe autistic or schiztophrenic)
ect

yours truly