Were Jack's crimes fuelled by Alcohol - Yes or No ?

[Natalie Severn]

Lovely David....brilliant line.....

[Sister Hyde]

Tu n'imagines pas le nombre de serial killers alcoolisés.... Dahmer et tant d'autres.
Moi, par contre, j'écoute les Pogues quand je suis empégué.

Oui David, il y en a plein, mais notre ami avait l'air bien trop consciencieux et très appliqué, c'est pour ça que je doute.
Je ne suis jamais "ivre morte", mais quand je suis de "bonne humeur" ça se sent

[Rubyretro]

Moi, par contre, j'écoute les Pogues quand je suis empégué.

[/QUOTE]

.....Moi, c'est pire, Je chante les Pogues...

[Rubyretro]

Seriously, though...

I used to believe that Jack's crimes would be linked to alcohol, because
a) so many crimes are linked to substance abuse -including those of Serial killers b) it certainly seems as if the crimes are linked to the pubs
in Spitalfields, with several of the victims reportedly drinking in the Ten Bells, and Hutch (my favourite suspect) living almost opposite the Princess Alice and c) all of the victims being alcoholics and -as prostitutes -surely soliciting from pub to pub, as prostitutes did at the time.

Never the less, I'm now 'undecided'...
-I see that there were Temperence Meetings at the Victoria, and I doubt that the lodgers could regularly roll up dead drunk
-I think that Jack's 'luck' in getting away with the murders is partly due to alot of quick thinking, controlled silence, and, if he wasn't covered in blood,
then he wasn't in a frenzy but careful in his movements.
-One could frequent pubs without being a 'drinker' one's self.

Murderer's often seek to justify their crimes to themseves in finding a reason why the victims deserved to die (that's when they can't just admit that they like killing ..). I think that there is a possibility that the Ripper despised his victims secretly for being 'drunken whores', and tempting men like himself into 'sin' ? Maybe he's received alot of mixed messages in his childhood ?

Who knows ?

At any rate, maybe the fact that Hutch wasn't an obvious heavy drinker was one factor that impressed Abberline as to his good character, got him a good reference from the Victoria -and I note that Hutch made a point of saying that he hadn't been drinking on the night before Kelly's murder.

[Fisherman]

Ruby:

"At any rate, maybe the fact that Hutch wasn't an obvious heavy drinker was one factor that impressed Abberline as to his good character, got him a good reference from the Victoria -and I note that Hutch made a point of saying that he hadn't been drinking on the night before Kelly's murder."

Hi Ruby!

As such, I do not think that what he said about his drinking in relation to his sighting was meant to point him out as a man who normally avoided alcohol. He said : "I was quite sober, not having had anything to drink all day." To me, that more points in the direction of him at times drinking, but not on this particular occasion. If he had wanted to impress the police, he would reasonably have said that he was quite sober as always, since he was no drinking man.

It´s just a small point, though, and I agree that he would probably not have come across as any habitual drinker.

The best,
Fisherman

[Rubyretro]

I agree Fisherman -I didn't mean to suggest a teetotaler..more someone that
had control over his alcohol consumption and maybe had a sense of superiority, even revulsion for drunken women ?

maybe his mother was a drunk ?

Pure speculation..who knows ?

[Fisherman]

Ruby:

"I agree Fisherman -I didn't mean to suggest a teetotaler..more someone that had control over his alcohol consumption..."

Seems a realistic bet to me.

"and maybe had a sense of superiority, even revulsion for drunken women ?
maybe his mother was a drunk ?"

Ooopla - I wouldn´t go there...!

The best,
Fisherman

[DVV]

80 percent think the Ripper crimes were fuelled by bergamot tea.

I'm depressed.

[Sister Hyde]

80 percent think the Ripper crimes were fuelled by bergamot tea.

I'm depressed.

who woudn't get homicidal tendencies from bergamot tea??

i still think our man wasn't drunk when he comitted the murders, or if he had drinken anything, it would be more like one or 2 glasses to be more steady (which is actually considered as "doping" in shooting competitions)

[DVV]

Yeah Sister.
That's what you think.
Fine.

[DVV]

Sister H,

conference next week, Rackham Le Rouge, Le Lavandou.

Contradictors will be thrown in the port.

Cheers

ps : we all have gold chains and moustache. The 11.43 is mine, though.

[Sister Hyde]

Sister H,

conference next week, Rackham Le Rouge, Le Lavandou.

Contradictors will be thrown in the port.

Cheers

ps : we all have gold chains and moustache. The 11.43 is mine, though.

although I love Tintin and that Le Lavandou looks lovely, I think I'll pass on this one. I don't wanna end up in a fish soup

[DVV]

You're wise, Sister. There's a gigantic bass in the port.

[YankeeSergeant]

gigantic bass

You're wise, Sister. There's a gigantic bass in the port.

THAT's going to ruin the tone of the instrument for sure! All new strings and it'll play hell with the finish too.

[AP Criminologist]

Seriously, though...

I used to believe that Jack's crimes would be linked to alcohol, because
a) so many crimes are linked to substance abuse -including those of Serial killers b) it certainly seems as if the crimes are linked to the pubs
in Spitalfields, with several of the victims reportedly drinking in the Ten Bells, and Hutch (my favourite suspect) living almost opposite the Princess Alice and c) all of the victims being alcoholics and -as prostitutes -surely soliciting from pub to pub, as prostitutes did at the time.

Never the less, I'm now 'undecided'...
-I see that there were Temperence Meetings at the Victoria, and I doubt that the lodgers could regularly roll up dead drunk
-I think that Jack's 'luck' in getting away with the murders is partly due to alot of quick thinking, controlled silence, and, if he wasn't covered in blood,
then he wasn't in a frenzy but careful in his movements.
-One could frequent pubs without being a 'drinker' one's self.

Murderer's often seek to justify their crimes to themseves in finding a reason why the victims deserved to die (that's when they can't just admit that they like killing ..). I think that there is a possibility that the Ripper despised his victims secretly for being 'drunken whores', and tempting men like himself into 'sin' ? Maybe he's received alot of mixed messages in his childhood ?

Who knows ?

Hi Ruby,

either you've missed my earlier post, therefore meaning you & I have very much the same views on this matter (which if this is the case then we make a good team!), or you've seen my post and simply added a few more facts about the JTR case! If it's the latter then shame on you! Either way, I'm glad someone agrees and has actually considered the whole thread seriously.

Regards,

AP