Where Jack got his Start?

Its my understanding that Bradford was close to farming communities at that time, I dont know the local geographical history well so, hope thats correct....... anyway, there is a murder in Bradford at the time of the Ripper crimes, a young boy cut in half and stuffed into a barrel...with his boots on his chest.

There was some heightened interest obviously due to the spate of slayings in East London..but no link other than the nature of the crime.....like the Torso killings.....not just killers but dehumanizing the remains.

Ill bet there was a link with animals....but perhaps not cruelty. Im sure on farms many young men had to learn about slaughtering pigs and cows for practical reasons....if a guy like Jack also explored with his knife beyond that I wouldn't be surprised.

Cheers all.

[Fisherman]

Considering how many people were involved in the many aspects of animal farming, we will have plenty of potential Jacks!

Letīs not loose track of the fact that it is cruelty to animals that is the key factor here. And as far as I know, no such thing has ever been recorded in Druitts case.

Another aspect of the ongoing discussion is that it can be challenged whether pigs enter into the equation here. I am not sure of this, and so I welcome any comments!

Pigs, cows, sheep and chickens are animals that only rarely make the headlines when it comes to people killing animals. On the other hand, cats, dogs, rabbits and horses frequently do. From one of the posts on the thread we can also see that not even hamsters can feel safe...!

Is it not true that the latter category all represent animals that are very often creatures that represent close connections to humans, who tend to them and give them identities of their own, involving names and such? Loved, individualized pets and animals, as it were?

Could it be that these animals are to some extent stand-ins for the real McCoy; humans? Are the animal slayings representative of a practicing ground? Or do the perpetrators simply want to shock? The triumvirate of factors that are supposed to link into a career as a potential killer is often given as:
1. Cruelty to animals
2. Setting things on fire
and
3. Childhood bed-wetting

I cannot really decide where to take this hunch. Maybe there has been work done on the issue, I donīt know. Itīs just a feeling I have, and I would - once again - welcome any commenting input!

The best,
Fisherman

[lynn cates]

sharp education

Hello. Not to mention that Druitt had surgeons in the family. It has elsewhere been suggested that Montague had some initial medical background. If true, it might entail anatomy lessons and dissection. So this could represent some of his education in things sharp.

Besides the dead pigs, I wonder how the family would have reacted to finding a stash of pornography (or bloody clothes and a knife)? Would they consider him sexually insane? I wonder how Mr. Valentine would react to such a pornography stash?

lynn cates

[Johnr]

Started Out Mutilating pigs...?

It's funny this thread should have been started, because I have been a long-time studier of Montague Druitt's career.

I found it interesting to be reminded (a) two modern serial killers started out mutilating animals and (b)The closest animal anatomy-wiseto humans, are pigs.
[


B]Montague Druitt's family had close connections with Dorset relatives (on his mother's side?) named Homer. These people were wealthy pig-farmers.[/B]

They were large land-holders, and won grand prizes for the quality of their pigs.

It occurred to me that Montague might have holidayed with his Homer relatives on their Dorset pig farm......
Now, if he were Jack the Ripper, and given the pointer earlier in this thread that at least two modern serial killers got their earlier "kicks" out of torturing and mutilating animals....One wonders just how Montague's relatives would have re-acted to a sudden spate of pig-slaughters?
Would they have written a strong confidential letter to his parents? And packed him off back home?
Were there newspaper reports of a sudden spike in pig mutilations around the Homer Dorset farm?
Or around Montague's child-hood Wimborne? Or when he was at Winchester? Did the school have a farm? I recall Montague's brother William, inherited a farm on his father's death...
Oh the questions!...... JOHN RUFFELS.

I think the evidence in Polly Nichols murder, Annies and Kates suggest a man that had opened cadavers before, and could recognize organs. But I dont see animals other than pigs having relevance to that knowledge he displays. They are quite similar in internal organs and structures to humans.

Best regards

[diana]

They got him. I'm waiting to see what makes this character tick. His eyes are cruel. I have to say that this guy bothers me a lot because I am a cat lover. I am owned by two cats.

http://www.justnews.com/news/19747620/detail.html

[babybird67]

brings back bad memories

my children had a friend at primary school in England where we used to live. He came round for tea and tortured our hamster to death. No apology or anything from the parents. I dread to think what he will turn into.

[A.R.Smith]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. Another trait I also wouldn't be surprised to find lurking in His Supreme Nastiness' childhood is injuring/abusing/torturing other children on a psychological and physical level, not nessecarily a sexual manner. He always struck me as someone who needed to be in control, someone who had pehaps a bit of an inferiority complex, again, not nessecarily in a sexual sense. That's just my theory, however.

[diana]

Both Dahmer and Rader started on animals. The story in the link is cause for alarm, not just for animal lovers. http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/11/...led/index.html

I wish we could access the records of the RSPCA for the 1800's. There might be a valuable clue there.