homosexual serial killers

[DarkPassenger]

Homosexuals may be easy targets but so are prostitutes, the homeless, children and the elderly.

Someone's been reading David Wilson

Yes, I agree his choice of victim is interesting - but let's be honest, without compromising his control over the situation, where could he access elderly people or kids? Homeless people, sure - but again, he would have to have disposed of the bodies, inevitably leaving evidence behind, whereas at a person's home, he could take note of what he made contact with, and later remove the trace when he cleaned up.
As for prostitutes - he could not be certain that he was safe picking a prozzie up. Not only is there a threat that he may get around the street girls before finding a suitable victim, and thus make his identity known, including specific details such as a car reg, etc., but he again would have to dispose of the body, avoid police stings as he picked subsequent victims, etc...
It was logical to move within the circles of vulnerable target groups without any of those risks - plus, the animosity towards gays in the police force at the time meant that the investigations may be toned down and muted, compared to a "normal" person's murder.

To catch a fish you must think like a fish!

[Ally]

First, I am glad to here that you do not believe in profiling. Second,Gay bashers often wait outside gay bars to bash their victims but gay bashers are not serial killers.

No but they are the type who would stalk gays.

We do not know what Colin was doing the days he was in the bar that he did not choose a victim he may have been targeting one.

Which begs the question, why would he even go in, in the first place?

Third, "Contaminating themselves" Homosexuallity is not contagous, I hope not. I think Colin probably knew that fact.

You are relying on a man who decided to kill strangers merely because they were gay to have a logical thought process when it comes to being gay. But first, I didn't say that he was afraid of catching it, I said contaminating themselves. As in being forced to rub elbows with something perceived as vile.

The idea that he only picked these victims because they were easy pickins is, as has already been pointed out, ludicrous. There were many other subgroups that he could have chosen, merely to become famous or make a statement.

[sdreid]

Homosexuals may be easy targets but so are prostitutes, the homeless, children and the elderly.

[babybird67]

hmmmmmm

excuses

anyway thanks for the info you've contributed to this one. Very interesting. I have a feeling Jack used to drink with his victims myself.

[The Good Michael]

I forgot the name of the thread. I didn't forget the date.

Mike

[babybird67]

thanks everyone for all the great information

and ideas in this thread...i have so much to look at now!

Mike...7th June has been and gone...where were you?

[The Good Michael]

Sometimes listed as a spree killer, Andrew Cunanan was particularly nasty. He killed his first two in Minnesota, and then left a trail, but he didn't kill Versace until several months later. He seems to have been a gay man who hated gay men, especially older ones.

Cheers,

Mike

[DarkPassenger]

I would agree that Ireland is likely at least a latent homosexual. That said, and they aren't usually serial killers, there is the concept of the hate crime which can't be totally eliminated as a possibility.

Again, Ireland killed gay men because they were easy targets - a means to the end (which was becoming a famous serial killer).

Now, Michael Lupo is a different story - one of our lesser known serial killers.

[The Good Michael]

Pirate,

Yes. Here's a nice site about schizophrenia, including contributing factors (believed). The social factors especially seem to fit some of the gay serial killers like Dahmer and Gacy. Like so many problems in the world, it seems that social conditions are closely linked to schizophrenia.

Cheers,

Link: http://www.schizophrenia.com/hypo.php

[Jeff Leahy]

Just to add to that thought. I was in conversation with an expert on Schizophrenia recently in which the subject of alcohol was bought up. He said that he thought alcohol a common cause of schizophrenics becoming dangerous. Although he admitted other drugs also can, alcohol is the most common cause. It has a disproportionate effect compared to people not suffering the illness.

Re: Gay serial killers. It was my understanding generally that gay serial killers tend to target men rather than women.

Pirate

[The Good Michael]

Victor,

Yes, of course. It seems that alcohol is more often than not a big factor in serial killing. I think JTR did a bit of drinking himself to steel himself.

Cheers,

Mike

Link: http://www.schizophrenia.com/hypo.php

[Victor]

Back to the topic: I've been reading up on Gacy and Dahmer, as well as catching up on other serial killers. Many of these people had issues with drinking heavily. Dahmer was known to have drunk gin heavily when he was just a kid, and Gacy's encounters seemed to involve alcohol and young men for the most part. Bundy, in an interview with James Dobson talks about how he changed under the influence of alcohol, though I can't say that I believe anything he's said.

If you're looking for correlations between alcohol and killing then surely Dennis Nielsen needs mentioning.

[celee]

First, I never said profile. I would never say profile because I don't believe in profiling. What I am talking about his behavior and logic. And logically most people who dislike gays enough to target them as a group for killing are not going to waltz into numerous gay bars and choose to spend time socializing with them on numerous days where they never targeted a single person and never selected a victim. People who have targeted gays in the past, choose them coming OUT of gay bars without contaminating themselves by going in and hanging out with them day in and day out.

First, I am glad to here that you do not believe in profiling. Second,Gay bashers often wait outside gay bars to bash their victims but gay bashers are not serial killers. We do not know what Colin was doing the days he was in the bar that he did not choose a victim he may have been targeting one. Third, "Contaminating themselves" Homosexuallity is not contagous, I hope not. I think Colin probably knew that fact. Last, You commented on one of my post, thank you, Ally

Your friend, Brad

[The Good Michael]

I stayed in a hotel in Milwaukee, an art deco place called The Ambassador. The hotel clerk told me about this. I didn't care, but it was funny that a British friend I was with was scared sh*tless to stay in the hotel. I lied to him and told him that our room was the one where the murder happened. There was even a bit of red staining on the old pipes under the window sill. He didn't sleep a wink. I slept like a baby.

Back to the topic: I've been reading up on Gacy and Dahmer, as well as catching up on other serial killers. Many of these people had issues with drinking heavily. Dahmer was known to have drunk gin heavily when he was just a kid, and Gacy's encounters seemed to involve alcohol and young men for the most part. Bundy, in an interview with James Dobson talks about how he changed under the influence of alcohol, though I can't say that I believe anything he's said.

It's time for a new thread, I suppose.

Cheers,

Mike

[Ally]

Considering Dahmer had sex with his male victims prior to killing them, my guess would be, yes, quite gay.