Why face mutilations on last 2 victims only

[smezenen]

It's a good theory, except for when you read about Nichol's murder. Her eyes were wide open when her body was discovered, and they were still half open in the morgue, you only have to see her mortuary photo to see that.

good catch, I really didnt look to far into the thought it just hit me as i was about to sign off earlier. Still something had to trigger Jacks escalation to face mutilating. oh here is another thought, maybe he didnt look at Pollys face during the murder, it being his first maybe he couldn't look her in the face to see her eyes open, maybe Catherine was the first one he looked in the face.

[perrymason]

The portion of the mutilations in the last 2 murders that is concerned with cutting near the eyes is interesting in that Marys, once her forehead scalp flaps were set aside I would imagine, had her eyes intact. Thats almost a conscious effort of avoidance I would think, based on the random slashes across all of her visible face.

As Far as Mary's last encounter M & P, officially its the man she takes in and sings to until shortly after 1am, and her room is silent and dark from 1:30am on. Without a trip on record out, she either beds down with him, lets him out, or "services" him almost 2 hours after she has arrived home.

If you can find a single encounter anywhere at anytime on record by anyone, with a "street" prostitute where the services provider sings for over an hour first, then gets down to business 1 3/4 hours after the initial pickup....I will gladly accept that supposition.

Best regards

[Mascara & Paranoia]

That's assuming she serviced the man. Unless part of Mary's services was to sing during, I don't see that being the case. It seems he was just someone she enjoyed having a drink with and nothing more sinister than that.

[caz]

Hi Perry,

Imagine, if you will, being a young woman plied with enough alchohol to put you in the mood for singing. Then imagine, if you will, being the man who plies this spirited young woman with the alcohol you estimate will be enough to make her easy to subdue and kill, quickly and quietly, if the opportunity should arise. This next bit is not strictly necessary, but imagine, if you will, having some spare cash to promise the woman - no strings attached - if the subject of tomorrow's living expenses were to crop up. Cash you won't actually have to part with if you get your very wicked way with her before the night's out.

Now then - what's not to sing about if you are that woman?

What's left to do but wait a while longer than planned if you are that man?

Meanwhile, back to those facial mutilations that appear to have taken shape almost simultaneously in the minds of the Dear Boss author and Kate's killer: whoever 'profiled' the WM in late September 1888, by predicting in writing that he would not only be giving a repeat performance before long, but would be ringing the changes on his next outing with some post-mortem work above the neck, evidently had no idea that there would one day be a rule saying: "Facial mutilations = personal relations", and seems to have believed instead that: "Slicing facial features = jolly fun for creatures".

This 1888 letter writer's insight into what the creature who mutilated Polly and Annie below the belt might try next doesn't seem to have let him/her down, does it? So maybe it's the 2009 rule book that is letting today's writers down.

Love,

Caz
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[perrymason]

Caz, you'll forgive me if I dont defer to an opinion by someone I dont know who wrote a letter during the Ripper period. Seems like there were a lot of them as well.

That he guessed correctly facial wounds would appear is a pat on the back for him...he doesnt become my profile advisor based on that though.

On Marys night and the circumstances, you paint a fine story, even commendably including actual data in it...like the fact Mary was in arrears. Problem is, we have no indication arrears meant anything to Mary, we have no indication she ever took a single client to her room, and we have no indication that 1.75 hours would be acceptable to wait for sex thats being paid for.

Your story might be a good one for the fiction contest though.

Best regards Caz.

[smezenen]

and we have no indication that 1.75 hours would be acceptable to wait for sex thats being paid for.

Depends on whats being payed for. Ask any soldier thats been to stationed in Korea what a "Long Time " is. Also you assume he is waiting and not being serviced the entire time.

[perrymason]

Depends on whats being payed for. Ask any soldier thats been to stationed in Korea what a "Long Time " is. Also you assume he is waiting and not being serviced the entire time.

I think what seems probable to me smez is that he bought her drinks at the pub, offered to walk her home or she asked for that, and she is being a "hostess"as best she can under the circumstances.

She has only been truly alone for a few days....Joe has been gone since last month end, Maria has her own place now....Marys happy and hammered, maybe one begat the other, ..and in what seems like a sturdy fellows company. I think she is starting to feel like an individual...and with that comes the knowledge she has no live in protection and a way to enter her room without a key.

I believe she rewarded her patron for the evening with song...so if thats what you meant, Im with ya.

Best regards smezenen

[Rosey O'Ryan]

Hi Caz,

"Her nose annoyed me so I cut it off...(unknown)". So who made her nose disappear...and why?
Rosey :-)

[smezenen]

Eh close enough i guess. There are many reason why she would entertain a gent for a few hours and they dont all have to be paid for. Maybe she knew him and would be more comfortable with him just sitting there while she sang the night away.

[caz]

Hi Perry,

Please do me the simple courtesy of reading my post again and addressing what I actually wrote, and not what you read into it.

Here, I'll help you with this bit:

'This next bit is not strictly necessary, but imagine, if you will, having some spare cash to promise the woman - no strings attached - if the subject of tomorrow's living expenses were to crop up. Cash you won't actually have to part with if you get your very wicked way with her before the night's out.'

I wasn't talking about anyone waiting for sex, or anyone being paid for sex.

I was asking you to imagine a young, spirited woman with a fondness - and tolerance - for alcohol being plied with it by a man who may have been hoping it would have the desired effect of turning her into easy ripping material.

Love,

Caz
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[perrymason]

Hi Perry,

Please do me the simple courtesy of reading my post again and addressing what I actually wrote, and not what you read into it.

Here, I'll help you with this bit:

'This next bit is not strictly necessary, but imagine, if you will, having some spare cash to promise the woman - no strings attached - if the subject of tomorrow's living expenses were to crop up. Cash you won't actually have to part with if you get your very wicked way with her before the night's out.'

I wasn't talking about anyone waiting for sex, or anyone being paid for sex.

I was asking you to imagine a young, spirited woman with a fondness - and tolerance - for alcohol being plied with it by a man who may have been hoping it would have the desired effect of turning her into easy ripping material.

Love,

Caz
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Sorry If I misread you. So what your saying is that Im to see Blotchy as The Ripper when buying her drinks and listening to her sing off and on for over an hour, with his ripping ulterior motives held at bay.

The audience has a hidden agenda for accepting song for over an hour of his time from this street prostitute.

Its not easier to see him being thanked with an invite in...and him just reveling in the pleasure of an attractive young womans attention? Something Blotchy Faced guys wouldnt have all that often without some form of payment. I see that as the booze he bought her...by the sounds of it, a snoot full.

Best regards Caz.