Jack's housing arrangements

[Elamarna]

Yes, but it would give a result not valid for deducing an hypothesis for one individual. Also, it is not the right time period. Of course, you already know all of this. Just mentioning it.

Regards, Pierre

Pierre

Of course would not be searching for a particular person, just looking to see if for both periods 81 and 91 there appeared to be a degree of letting.
A while it is true it is not 88, if letting was taking place in both periods it would seem probable that such also took place in 88.
letting in only one period would not rule such out, but the probability would be lower.

I would expect there to be some degree of letting, it could equally involve the two properties which are either fully or partially referred to as Dwelling..

Steve

[Pierre]

Pierre

Forgot to mention, checking the census records for say 81 and 91 should give some idea of what degree of letting was taking place in the street.

Steve

Yes, but it would give a result not valid for deducing an hypothesis for one individual. Also, it is not the right time period. Of course, you already know all of this. Just mentioning it.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

The old Goad map, yes.

Regards, Pierre

yes,

It certainly shows no hotels or lodging houses, but the public house may have let rooms, census will probably show that.
Private stay above offices or shops of course possible.

Any comments on why that location may have been more convenient than others? just wondering?

Steve

[Pierre]

Pierre

yes goad map

http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/london/vitox/zoomify150494.html

Steve

The old Goad map, yes.

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Do you have a source for your statements?

Regards, Pierre

Pierre

Forgot to mention, checking the census records for say 81 and 91 should give some idea of what degree of letting was taking place in the street.

Steve

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Do you have a source for your statements?

Regards, Pierre

Pierre

yes goad map

http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/firemaps/england/london/vitox/zoomify150494.html

Steve

[jerryd]

Pierre

You've mentioned King William Street at least twice in different threads in regard to your suspect. In this thread, which is about "Jack's housing arrangements", you hypothesize your suspect may have had a residence/bolthole/convenient place in that street, you must have a reason for the basis of your hypothesis? Can that be disclosed?

[Elamarna]

You are using the word "believe". I donīt believe in the past but I try different hypotheses for a history about the past. The validity and reliability of the sources which is the foundation for history must always be called into question.

And I donīt think the hypothesis about King William Street is very important. If he hypothetically lived there during the murder period it could have been a very convenient place for him, a necessary place.

But it is more important to analyse the sources for where he hypothetically could have stayed in Whitechapel.

Regards, Pierre

Pierre

With regards to King William street why would it have been convenient for him?
Is this because of its location across the road from a major rail terminus? Just wondering what would make that location handy for him.

With regards to Whitechapel, why do you suggested he would need a place there?
I mean king william street is certainly within walking distance.

Steve

[Pierre]

If he is staying there his options are a little limited.

Mainly shops, which house the families/owners may have stayed, but no privacy surely
public house- may have rented rooms.
several offices, possibly staying upper floors, this may give more privacy than shops.
2 dwellings- so those are certainly possible.

other buildings are entrance to restaurant, and theatre.

This may mean there is no record anywhere of such a stay, unless mentioned by man himself.

Steve

Hi Steve,

Do you have a source for your statements?

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Hi Pierre,

Thank you! Just to clarify, you do believe he had a residence in King William Street during the time of the murders?

If he is staying there his options are a little limited.

Mainly shops, which house the families/owners may have stayed, but no privacy surely
public house- may have rented rooms.
several offices, possibly staying upper floors, this may give more privacy than shops.
2 dwellings- so those are certainly possible.

other buildings are entrance to restaurant, and theatre.

This may mean there is no record anywhere of such a stay, unless mentioned by man himself.

Steve

[Pierre]

Hi Pierre,

Thank you! Just to clarify, you do believe he had a residence in King William Street during the time of the murders?

You are using the word "believe". I donīt believe in the past but I try different hypotheses for a history about the past. The validity and reliability of the sources which is the foundation for history must always be called into question.

And I donīt think the hypothesis about King William Street is very important. If he hypothetically lived there during the murder period it could have been a very convenient place for him, a necessary place.

But it is more important to analyse the sources for where he hypothetically could have stayed in Whitechapel.

Regards, Pierre

[jerryd]

Hi Jerry,

There is no reason to think he stayed in a hospital.

Regards, Pierre

Hi Pierre,

Thank you! Just to clarify, you do believe he had a residence in King William Street during the time of the murders?

[Pierre]

Pierre,

That doesn't answer the question. Did your suspect live in the hospital? You specifically wrote King William Street as a possible residence. The other being in Whitechapel. What housing arrangement was on King William Street that your suspect lived in?

Hi Jerry,

There is no reason to think he stayed in a hospital.

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Hi,
I have a hunch he lived the other side of Mitre square, and he was on his way there when he encountered Eddowes, and possibly headed that way after killing Kelly, [ the man seen hurrying through the square bloodstained around 10.10am the morning of the 9th Nov.
Regards Richard,

Hi Richard,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. But why is there any reason to think that he would show up with bloodstains in the street in broad daylight?

Regards, Pierre

[jerryd]

Jerry

with regards to king William street, it looks as if there were no houses on the north side, the hospital occupying most of it.

Steve

Thanks Steve,

I'm pretty sure Pierre has no answer for his claim, but I'm use to that. Toole's Theatre, formerly Polygraphic Hall, was there as well until 1896.