Jack's housing arrangements

[Elamarna]

I agree. And isnīt it amazing that someone would have gone through all the problems with placing it inside the new Scotland Yard building? Do you think it was important for him to do so?

Honestly we cannot know the answer to that.
What we do know from sources is that it was a building site, possibly a good place to dispose of a body, it is possible it may have never been found. It was certainly in place for a number of weeks before discovery.
Given that a body was disposed there, security was probably not that strong.

It may not have been important to him as such, but was a good place to hide a body, and lets be honest that torso was at least partially hidden.


You have previously argued that the killer wanted to display the bodies of his victim, well this is not displayed is it?

It could have been left outside the site, displayed for all!

It could have been left in a prominent position on the site, displayed for a select few!


It was however placed in a cellar, Hidden from sight!

Yes, but one could hypothesize that Whitehall was not the only place of interest in the area.

Does that actually mean anything? If you insist on such cryptic replies may I respectfully ask you restrain yourself in instances like this, better and less annoying to just say nothing.

Well, history must be based on sources.

Regards, Pierre

I notice you have changed that has I was about to reply.

The original was much more interesting, it suggested a No, this suggests Yes.

I would suggest nothing which specifically links, of course may be wrong, only you know.

Steve

[jerryd]

Equal or greater than what?

Regards, Pierre

Bad choice of words. Forgot who I was speaking to. The sources point to other suspects without using any metaphors. You only hypothesize your suspect lived in King William Street. Other than the news clip that shows an address in 1888 on King William Street that "lets" to gentleman, how do you know your suspect lived there? You say the sources point to it, but you need direct proof Pierre, that he actually lived there. Your fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

[Pierre]

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Pierre


Whitehall victim? Yes despite the attempts by yourself and Fisherman, amongst others, there is no probably link yet established, possible, I will of course grant, but no more at present.

In addition the proximity of the site at Whitehall, does not help with getting the body onto the site, into the cellar/basement area where it was found.

I agree. And isnīt it amazing that someone would have gone through all the problems with placing it inside the new Scotland Yard building? Do you think it was important for him to do so?

It may help with getting to the site, however that is debatable, a Torso is a large form, and weighs a considerable weight, transport of some form would probably still be need, in which case distance from the scene of crime to disposal is of less importance.

Yes, but one could hypothesize that Whitehall was not the only place of interest in the area.

I assume you are claiming a link in a data source to, if not 9 king William street , at least to the street itself?

Steve

Well, history must be based on sources.

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Pierre,

You do know there are other suspects that have an equal or greater connection to each of the sites you mention AND have documented addresses to correspond, don't you?

Equal or greater than what?

Regards, Pierre

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Yes, I had the Whitehall victim in mind.

But for C-5 we should have an hypothesis about another adress close to the murders performed there.

It is difficult, isnīt it? It would perhaps be easier to think the killer was a "local man" in Whitechapel. If you have an hypothesis about someone crossing boarders, both juridically, socially and geographically, the research questions should be more complex.

But I donīt think they are.

Regards, Pierre

Pierre


Whitehall victim? Yes despite the attempts by yourself and Fisherman, amongst others, there is no probably link yet established, possible, I will of course grant, but no more at present.

In addition the proximity of the site at Whitehall, does not help with getting the body onto the site, into the cellar/basement area where it was found.

It may help with getting to the site, however that is debatable, a Torso is a large form, and weighs a considerable weight, transport of some form would probably still be need, in which case distance from the scene of crime to disposal is of less importance.


I assume you are claiming a link in a data source to, if not 9 king William street , at least to the street itself?

Steve

[jerryd]

Pierre,

You do know there are other suspects that have an equal or greater connection to each of the sites you mention AND have documented addresses to correspond, don't you?

[Pierre]

Pierre,

I apologize and jumped the gun before checking my notes. The Lambeth arm may not had been a right arm now that I think about it. I will have to double check press reports I found on that because I thought somewhere I read it was a right arm. Anyway, it was ruled out as being connected so yes, medical opinion.

Hi Jerry,

No problem and no need to apologize. These sources from 1888 are not always easy to get a grip on.

Regards, Pierre

[Pierre]

Pierre


I see you have not given a direct answer my question ?

However on reading your reply to David several things need to be pointed out.

King William Street is in central London, indeed traditionally measurements to London are measured from and to Charing cross, a 30 second walk from the street.

Yes it is close to the places you mention, but what ties those to JtR?

Mentioning places that are about 1.5 miles away from set point, almost looks like drawing a circle on a map.
Whitechapel is almost 3 miles to walk, and while it can be easily done in under and hour, it does not seem particularly convenient for the purpose.
.
Your point about Whitehall place being?
Are we going back to Torso's?

steve

Hi Steve,

Yes, I had the Whitehall victim in mind.

But for C-5 we should have an hypothesis about another adress close to the murders performed there.

It is difficult, isnīt it? It would perhaps be easier to think the killer was a "local man" in Whitechapel. If you have an hypothesis about someone crossing boarders, both juridically, socially and geographically, the research questions should be more complex.

But I donīt think they are.

Regards, Pierre

[jerryd]

Pierre,

I apologize and jumped the gun before checking my notes. The Lambeth arm may not had been a right arm now that I think about it. I will have to double check press reports I found on that because I thought somewhere I read it was a right arm. Anyway, it was ruled out as being connected so yes, medical opinion.

[Elamarna]

Hi Steve,

Yes, I will not discuss this issue with Jerry.

By the way, did you notice how close King William Street is to Whitehall Place?

Regards, Pierre

Yes, it is actually close to more than one convenient places. If you had an hypothesis of a well organized killer with a personal interest for living close to such places, King William Street would be a very strategic place for that. It would be only 14-15 minutes walk to those places. And it also happens to be about 30 minutes walk to Devonshire Street / Great Portland Street. And Lambeth Road.

Mind you, all of this is just "possibilities". But if you had the above hypothesis, so it would have been for your killer.

Pierre


I see you have not given a direct answer my question ?

However on reading your reply to David several things need to be pointed out.

King William Street is in central London, indeed traditionally measurements to London are measured from and to Charing cross, a 30 second walk from the street.

Yes it is close to the places you mention, but what ties those to JtR?

Mentioning places that are about 1.5 miles away from set point, almost looks like drawing a circle on a map.
Whitechapel is almost 3 miles to walk, and while it can be easily done in under and hour, it does not seem particularly convenient for the purpose.
.
Your point about Whitehall place being?
Are we going back to Torso's?

steve

[Pierre]

Not the Whitehall torso. Unless she had two right arms!

No one said it belonged to the Whitehall victim.

[jerryd]

It was a medical opinion and we donīt know to whom it had belonged. Or do we?

Regards, Pierre

Not the Whitehall torso. Unless she had two right arms!

[Pierre]

What's on Lambeth Road? I hope you are not referring to the arm found by the blind school. That was proven not to belong to the Whitehall Torso.

It was a medical opinion and we donīt know to whom it had belonged. Or do we?

Regards, Pierre

[jerryd]

Yes, it is actually close to more than one convenient places. If you had an hypothesis of a well organized killer with a personal interest for living close to such places, King William Street would be a very strategic place for that. It would be only 14-15 minutes walk to those places. And it also happens to be about 30 minutes walk to Devonshire Street / Great Portland Street. And Lambeth Road.

Mind you, all of this is just "possibilities". But if you had the above hypothesis, so it would have been for your killer.

Regards, Pierre

What's on Lambeth Road? I hope you are not referring to the arm found by the blind school. That was proven not to belong to the Whitehall Torso.

[David Orsam]

And it also happens to be about 30 minutes walk to Devonshire Street / Great Portland Street. And Lambeth Road.

Thing is, Pierre, Central London is not that big and just about everywhere is 30 minutes walk away from everywhere else. I mean, for example, it's 20 minutes walk from the Houses of Parliament to the Royal Courts of Justice. So it's pretty meaningless to say what you are saying.