Same motive = same killer

[harry]

Might I suggest that the torso victims may have been lying face down when the head was removed.It is a 50/50 possibility.Such a situation is a point of dissimilar activity.Takes away the argument that the throat wounds were the same.What is the great Wizard's thoughts on that?

[Herlock Sholmes]

A couple of glasses of Glen Moray might be in order

I like noglet.

[Sam Flynn]

Fancy a pint Gareth

Gladly, Herlock. I'll be having my usual noglet later, and will raise my glass to you then. (BTW, don't go looking up "noglet". It's a made-up nickname that Patrick Troughton used to refer to his tipple. I think it's a great word.)

[Herlock Sholmes]

You can wear your best new throat tie

[Herlock Sholmes]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr rrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!!!

A more haemorrhoidal person I've never met in my life.

Fancy a pint Gareth

[Sam Flynn]

lungs or parts of them taken away

Missed this one earlier, but it's another example of over-generalisation to make the evidence fit a theory. One torso victim had both lungs removed, evidently because the perpetrator wanted to empty her chest cavity. This could have been for a number of reasons (more than likely practical ones), but it's quite clear that the removal of the lungs in the torso case was deliberate and total. This is nothing like what happened to Kelly, who only had part of one lobe of one lung torn - not "taken" - away, evidently as a by-product of her killer's intention to get at her heart from below.

[John Wheat]

No, John, it is absolutely true. I have listed around a dozen similarities, many of them quite rare.
People have tried to present alternative explanations, but they can never be more than suggestions along the line "maybe it was like this" or "maybe it was like that" - alternative explanations can always be presented.

But:

The soft part of the neck cut

The abdomen opened

The uterus taken away

The abdominal wall taken away in flaps

rings having disappeared from fingers

prostitution background

hearts taken away

lungs or parts of them taken away

...and a few more bits and bobs ARE similarities that demand our attention, and they are more or less certain to point to a common originator. It was always like that and like that it will always be.

And that holds true in spite of your amazingly eloquent posts. Go, garbage boy, go!

No I'm correct. All you do is twist things to fit your crappy theories Fisherman. Most regular poster realise this and regard you as nothing more than a joke.

[Sam Flynn]

But:

The soft part of the neck cut

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrr rrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhh!!!

A more haemorrhoidal person I've never met in my life.

[Fisherman]

That's just garbage it's totally untrue.

No, John, it is absolutely true. I have listed around a dozen similarities, many of them quite rare.
People have tried to present alternative explanations, but they can never be more than suggestions along the line "maybe it was like this" or "maybe it was like that" - alternative explanations can always be presented.

But:

The soft part of the neck cut

The abdomen opened

The uterus taken away

The abdominal wall taken away in flaps

rings having disappeared from fingers

prostitution background

hearts taken away

lungs or parts of them taken away

...and a few more bits and bobs ARE similarities that demand our attention, and they are more or less certain to point to a common originator. It was always like that and like that it will always be.

And that holds true in spite of your amazingly eloquent posts. Go, garbage boy, go!

[John Wheat]

Inded, if they ARE separate, they had an absolutely uncanny and otherwise unheard of talent of reproducing each othersī measures.

That's just garbage it's totally untrue.

[Fisherman]

The Torso Killer if he existed is clearly a separate killer to Jack the Ripper.

No, John, but there are details withing the torso series that deviate from the Ripper ditto. However, that does not mean that the killers must be separate. Inded, if they ARE separate, they had an absolutely uncanny and otherwise unheard of talent of reproducing each othersī measures.

[Fisherman]

But its how the facts are interpreted, in biased or unbiased fashion ?

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Unbiased. Of course. As best as I can. In a manner, all people will be biased in how they prefer some scenarios as more probable than others, but that touches on philosophy.

However, I of course speak for the interpretation of just the one killer. And that is on account of two things:

1. There are already quite enough people speaking for the two killer solution, and

2. If the one killer solution is correct - and letīs be frank, everything speaks for it, more or less - then that is a revolution that should have arrived 130 years earlier.

But you can have a suspect and you can have a theory and nevertheless be truthful and factbased.

[John Wheat]

The Torso Killer if he existed is clearly a separate killer to Jack the Ripper.

[Trevor Marriott]

If itīs the same frenzy, itīs the same killer - of course!

Nah, just joking. There was not necessarily any frenzy at all in these cases. A case can be made for both takes.

But over to your question! How could it be an unplanned killing when the killer followed Tabram into a secluded place in the early morning hours? Well, Trevor, many serialists are punters, and if he went with her to have sex he may well have been handed a sarcastic jibe from Tabram and exploded.
By the way, it is not a certain thing that Tabram led the way - but that is another question!
Byt the way 2 - I did not say it was an unplanned attack. I speculated that it MAY have been.



It all boils down to a little insight in combination with the facts, Trevor.

But its how the facts are interpreted, in biased or unbiased fashion ?

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Fisherman]

How can you say it was an unplanned attack when her killer has obviously gone with her to a dark secluded spot inside a building in the early hours of the morning where he has proceeded to murder her in a frenzied attack, the same frenzy we then saw with Chapman Eddowes and Kelly in also quiet dark secluded spots.

If itīs the same frenzy, itīs the same killer - of course!

Nah, just joking. There was not necessarily any frenzy at all in these cases. A case can be made for both takes.

But over to your question! How could it be an unplanned killing when the killer followed Tabram into a secluded place in the early morning hours? Well, Trevor, many serialists are punters, and if he went with her to have sex he may well have been handed a sarcastic jibe from Tabram and exploded.
By the way, it is not a certain thing that Tabram led the way - but that is another question!
Byt the way 2 - I did not say it was an unplanned attack. I speculated that it MAY have been.

In chronlogical terms it was the first, but he never took any organs from her, and he never took any organs from Nicholls the next victim, and if you count Stride he never took organs from her, and if Insp Reid and others are to be belived he never took organs from Kelly, which leaves Chapman and Eddowes who were the only two found missing organs at the post mortems.
So one killer or more than one? If one killer there is no distinct MO based on the evidence, so how you can try to link these victims or their killer/s to the torsos beggar belief.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

It all boils down to a little insight in combination with the facts, Trevor.