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"Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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Originally posted by Harry D View PostBottom line is that two series of gruesome murders overlapping in both time and place is just impossible to ignore. We can spend all day scrutinising and overanalyzing the perceived behaviour of the perpetrator(s) it doesn't change the fact that this was either a freaky coincidence or there was indeed a connection between the two.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostHi rocky
No evidence of any of the parts in the Thames were tried to be weighted down. If you are trying to make something disappear in water you weight it down.Kind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostIt's possible that the perpetrators thought that they'd float away downriver - out of sight, out of mind, out of immediate danger of suspicion. A reasonable strategy.
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Originally posted by Fisherman View Postif he wanted to disguise what he did, why place a torso in the New scotland Yard? And why go through the trouble, only to them allow the carefully disguised packages to be discovered, nearly all of them?[/B]
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostSo why go through all the trouble and risk of throwing some in the river, some in the Shelley estateKind regards, Sam Flynn
"Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostHi rocky
No evidence of any of the parts in the Thames were tried to be weighted down. If you are trying to make something disappear in water you weight it down.
It’s murder 101 stuff and has been employed by killers for hundreds of years. Just because some are found that WERE weighted doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, or that then someone wouldn’t even try.
Also, alternatively, after the first few parts were found in the river and became publicly known, he would then know that just throwing them in the water would not make them sink or disappear and yet he continued to do it.
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Originally posted by Fisherman View PostSince when do people build sprightly new cellar vaults with the intention to build them over...?
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Originally posted by RockySullivan View PostHi Abby I don't see the killer dumping the parts with weights as plausible unless it's from a boat. And still, even if you use weights you can't dump them all together. You still have to disperse the parts, otherwise if one comes up they find the rest (as Fish kindly showed for us in his example). So he has to still disperse the parts. Why would he need to weigh them down, if they won't be identified? Which probably has a lot to do with them not finding the skull. He doesn't let them find the skull, and disperses the parts and there is no reason for weights.
Not sure what your point is. All Im saying is that if he really wanted to try to make the parts disappear, some attempt to try and weight them down would probably have been attempted.
And RE the heads. Im sure he probably kept those."Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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Originally posted by jerryd View PostSome don't see this as relevant, I do.
Annie Chapman- murdered September 8th, 1888
Whitehall Torso- possibility murdered September 8th, 1888 (according to Dr. Neville)
Pinchin Torso- probably murdered September 8th, 1889
I would consider it very relevant if the dating of the last two was more conclusive.
Whitehall in particular is very debatable.
Of course Pierre thinks it's very important too..
Pinchi street could be a celebration of the anniversary of Chapman by the killer or by someone else or even an attempt to make it loom like such.
I would be more positive if it had been found on the 8th. Yes a murder was reported on the 8th, but nothi g showed up. Sounds more of an attempt to suggest a link than a real link.
I do recall our old friend Pierre suggesting a bolt hole near Charring Cross. Mid way between most of the Torso tonew and Whitechapel. Food for thought?
Not commenting much on this thread at moment because I see few facts to comment on.
It's mainly opinion.
Maybe when Christer completes the on going research he mentioned we will have something tangible to discuss.
SteveLast edited by Elamarna; 10-11-2017, 05:37 AM.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostHi rocky
Not sure what your point is. All I’m saying is that if he really wanted to try to make the parts disappear, some attempt to try and weight them down would probably have been attempted.
And RE the heads. I’m sure he probably kept those.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostScattered clues are harder to find, and harder to piece together. Literally, in the torso cases.
If he was trying to make it harder to find, he sure failed miserably!
and after much practice no less."Is all that we see or seem
but a dream within a dream?"
-Edgar Allan Poe
"...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."
-Frederick G. Abberline
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Originally posted by RockySullivan View PostIf you need this explained to you than you will be staying at the hotel indefinitely.
When we have digested this, it would be interesting if you could tell me why it would not have worked in 1887-89. Did the killer not have matches? Was the weather very wet?
Any information you can offer is much appreciated, but for now, I really havenīt got the time to discuss the errand further.
Then again, I donīt have to, do I?
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