Same motive = same killer

[Fisherman]

Well we all know that you are Living in your own world of fantasy you have just confirmed it

Go and reads Debs posts on forum

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I already have. And I know quite well that she does not rule out murder in any way. And that is because, like me, she knows quite well that such cannot be done.

[Elamarna]

In which respect?

In the respect that we cannot know that the flaps were similar?

Or in the respect we cannot know that flaps were cut away from the abdominal wall?

Like I said, I had that sinking feeling that the debate was about to go semantic.

Does one really need to mske this any simpler.

Its not about similarity or differences or where the section is cut from.

If you cut away and remove from the rest of the body a section of the abdomenial wall, it can legitmately be reffered to as a "flap".

Therefore any attack to the abdomen which resulted in a section being cut away could be by your definition said to be a link, its so wide anything can be included .


STEVE

[Trevor Marriott]

Oh, you are trying the "illusions of grandeur" angle again...! Sorry, Steve, it is not a question about agreeing or not agreeing with me. It is a question of agreeing or not agreeing with the kind of logic the police employs in cases like these.
I agree with how the police work.

But YOU seem to think you are better than them? (hint, hint; illusions of grandeur...)

But the police never suggested the crimes were linked.

Instead of being a fisherman you should have been a red indian, they were known to speak with a forked tongue 😛

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Elamarna]

Oh, you are trying the "illusions of grandeur" angle again...! Sorry, Steve, it is not a question about agreeing or not agreeing with me. It is a question of agreeing or not agreeing with the kind of logic the police employs in cases like these.
I agree with how the police work.

But YOU seem to think you are better than them? (hint, hint; illusions of grandeur...)

what you have said completely displays "delusions of grandeur "

The police make mistakes, always have always will, to try and hide behind such makes it even worse.


Its really very simple, any researcher in serious academia who made such comments as:

"But basically, if you beleive in two killers, you ARE biased or ignorant. I could lie about it, I suppose, to ease the pain - but"

would undoubtedly be shunned by their peers, and rightly so as they display no respect for other views.

Steve

[Herlock Sholmes]

Does one really need to mske this any simpler.

Its not about similarity or differences or where the section is cut from.

If you cut away and remove from the rest of the body a section of the abdomenial wall, it can legitmately be reffered to as a "flap".

Therefore any attack to the abdomen which resulted in a section being cut away could be by your definition said to be a link, its so wide anything can be included .


STEVE

Ive always refrained from the ‘flap’ issue so im glad to hear my ‘layman’ doubts voiced by Steve.
How many ways are there to ‘damage’ the walls of an abdomen? Surely, when setting out to cause all manner of internal carnage, some damage to the walls is likely? Why talk as if this is some kind of ‘done deal’ signature?

[Herlock Sholmes]

. But basically, if you beleive in two killers, you ARE biased or ignorant. I could lie about it, I suppose, to ease the pain - but why would I?

So please refrain from the continual ‘hurt feelings’ ploy when people disagree with you.

[Herlock Sholmes]

. I did, yes. There is what seemingly is a common factor behind the appearances of the victims. It has to do with the inspiration grounds for the deeds, and I find it quite compelling myself.

That, however, was never a guarantee that others would be swayed in equal degree

Does it have anything to do with Lechmere?

[Fisherman]

Does it have anything to do with Lechmere?

No. Lechmere is a candidate, of course, not least on account of his age (most fall away with the 1873 victim, whereas others, like Tumblety, do so with the later victims), but the factor I am referring to is in no way tied to Lechmere.

Actually, I much prefer not to bring Lechmere into the discussion of the Ripper/Torso series.

[Fisherman]

So please refrain from the continual ‘hurt feelings’ ploy when people disagree with you.

When people disagree with me in a less hurtful way, that will happen. As of now, I am being called idiot for not agreeing.

[Fisherman]

Does one really need to mske this any simpler.

Its not about similarity or differences or where the section is cut from.

If you cut away and remove from the rest of the body a section of the abdomenial wall, it can legitmately be reffered to as a "flap".

Therefore any attack to the abdomen which resulted in a section being cut away could be by your definition said to be a link, its so wide anything can be included .


STEVE

Steve, if you cannot stand the contemporarily used "flap", then by all means use another word. Say, for example, that sections of the abdominal wall with subcutaneous tissue were cut away from the abdominal walls of these three women.

The outcome is the same: it is extremly rare and therefore a connection between the series. One of many, I might say.

[Fisherman]

But the police never suggested the crimes were linked.

Instead of being a fisherman you should have been a red indian, they were known to speak with a forked tongue 😛

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Actually, the indians were the ones saying "White man speaks with a forked tongue".

So - surprise, surprise - it is once again the other way around, Trevor.

[Herlock Sholmes]

When people disagree with me in a less hurtful way, that will happen. As of now, I am being called idiot for not agreeing.

Ive never called you an idiot Fish.

[Fisherman]

what you have said completely displays "delusions of grandeur "

The police make mistakes, always have always will, to try and hide behind such makes it even worse.


Its really very simple, any researcher in serious academia who made such comments as:

"But basically, if you beleive in two killers, you ARE biased or ignorant. I could lie about it, I suppose, to ease the pain - but"

would undoubtedly be shunned by their peers, and rightly so as they display no respect for other views.

Steve

If I told you that the world was flat - would you respect it?

The police make mistakes, yes - but it is not a mistake on their behalf to say that far-reaching similarities inbetween cases point to a connection.

In some cases, the police will overrate either the similarities or the dissimilarities and reach the wrong conclusion. But when there are as many similarities as is the case now, one would have to forgive them if they opted for one killer and got it wrong - they would have used all the ampirical knowledge at hand and they WOULD have opted for the logical and better solution.

[Fisherman]

Ive always refrained from the ‘flap’ issue so im glad to hear my ‘layman’ doubts voiced by Steve.
How many ways are there to ‘damage’ the walls of an abdomen? Surely, when setting out to cause all manner of internal carnage, some damage to the walls is likely? Why talk as if this is some kind of ‘done deal’ signature?

It is not collateral damage we are speaking of. It is about the intentional cutting away of large sections of the abdominal wall, Herlock.

[Fisherman]

Ive never called you an idiot Fish.

And I have never called YOU one. And we would both be wrong if we did.

I didn´t say that you did call me an idiot - but it has been done nevertheless.