If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
Nope. But I could link jester to fool. Not that I think JTR is stupid!
David Wilson Professor of Criminology:
'Connection, connection, connection. There is no such thing as coincidence when you are dealing with serial killers.'
Home Office minute sheet, 30th Oct 1888, stated the word Jews was spelt Jewes as opposed to Juwes. (HO 144/221/A49301C).
So it’s either:
Jews, a religious group.
Juive, specifically a female member of a religious group. Also, a well-known grand opera - Fromental Halévy. La Juive. First performed at Covent Garden in 1835 and revived throughout the century.
Juives, French for Jews.
Jewes, Judge, judgement and/or law.
So it’s either Jew, (whether French, female or an opera about a Jewess) or it’s judgement. It’s also slang. Jewes – akin to job’s worth; he’s a right job’s worth. Negative – a stickler for rules.
The judges/law are not the men who will be blamed for nothing.
So, as I favour judgement . . . he’s saying – OK. I don’t know, but something like:
The judges are the men to blame? It’s their fault. Whose fault? The men of the laws’ fault. Nuance: The police aren’t innocent?
David Wilson Professor of Criminology:
'Connection, connection, connection. There is no such thing as coincidence when you are dealing with serial killers.'
Jewes. Judgement.Variant, juise, obsolete,.
Forms iuise, iewes. L Judicium – judgement and a later and further form, judgement, doom; a judicial sentence, or its execution: penalty. The compact edition of The Oxford English Dictionary. Text Produced Micrographically, Vol 1.
David Wilson Professor of Criminology:
'Connection, connection, connection. There is no such thing as coincidence when you are dealing with serial killers.'
Jewes. Judgement.Variant, juise, obsolete,.
Forms iuise, iewes. L Judicium – judgement and a later and further form, judgement, doom; a judicial sentence, or its execution: penalty. The compact edition of The Oxford English Dictionary. Text Produced Micrographically, Vol 1.
Intriguing idea, but "judgment" is an abstract (singular) noun. Even as a metaphor, I can't see how it could be equated to a concrete (plural) noun like "men". For what it's worth, "Judgment is a man who will not be blamed..." might work at a pinch, but "The judgment are the men..." doesn't work.
Edit: I should add that the OED doesn't just say that "juise" is obsolete, it shows it to have been very much a mediæval word. All the examples of its use in the OED date between the 1200-1400s, and most of those have widely varying spellings: "iuwys"; "juwyse"; "iewis"; "iewesse"; "iewes".
Thank you. Hope I'll be useful.
I do it's in the dictionary.
jewes
jewes, -esse
var. juise Obs., judgement.
Jews, Juwes, Jewes, Jeuwes, or Juews.
A GRAMMAR OF MODERN INDO-EUROPEAN
you......... juwes / juwe /
law ........jewos (jéwesos)
judge................ jewesdiks
just ...............................jéwestos
So, if the word is jewes, what's he saying?
I am judge, jury and excutioner?
He may have been well-read, but surely not to the extent where he understood Proto-Indo-European [PIE]? This theoretical "language" had only started to be reconstructed in earnest by scholars in the mid/late 19th Century, and the full lexicon of suggested PIE root-words has continued to be developed since - an enormous undertaking, considering the tens/hundreds of thousands of words that would need to be covered. Intriguing though the idea may seem, it's quite possible that PIE "words" like juwe, juwesdiks or jéwestos hadn't yet been proposed by scholars, still less published, by the time the GSG was written.
You totally ignored the first three lines of my post,and as usual singled out one piece out of context.
I just used your comment about Jack being "well-read" as an opportunity to provide some observations on Proto-Indo-European, that's all, thus saving me having to reply to two posts (yours and Callmebill's) separately.
Thus missing the point of my post,being that Jack may have been familiar with "Piers Plowman" and William Morris who had been listed to speak at IWMED the week before Stride's murder.
My name is Dave. You cannot reach me through Debs email account
Thus missing the point of my post,being that Jack may have been familiar with "Piers Plowman" and William Morris who had been listed to speak at IWMED the week before Stride's murder.
I didn't respond to the rest of your post, otherwise I'd have quoted it. Instead, I only quoted "Seems that our Jack was well read" and responded to it (quite appropriately, and without contradicting you) because it formed a nice conversational "hinge" by which I could also respond to Bill's suggestion that the GSG author might have known Proto-Indo-European.
I thought that, by doing so, I'd save time and keystrokes. Evidently I was over-optimistic
The judges/law are not the men who will be blamed for nothing.
So, as I favour judgement . . . he’s saying – OK. I don’t know, but something like:
The judges are the men to blame? It’s their fault. Whose fault? The men of the laws’ fault.
Hi,
They will not be blamed in vain.
Compare "The soldiers died for nothing".
Compare: The soldiers will not die for nothing. They will not die in vain.
Conclusion: Therefore they will die for something.
The judges are not the men that will be blamed for nothing.
Conclusion: They will not be blamed in vain. Therefore they will be blamed for something.
For "something": something is the price for blaming them. The price is the murdered victims.
Comment