Hate

[007]

I hypothesize that Jack the Ripper was absolutely convinced that he was killing in order to survive.

Your statement, Pierre, made me think of Richard Chase, who believed that he had to kill and drink his victim's blood to prevent his own blood from turning to dust.

Is that what you mean?

[Elamarna]

I hypothesize that Jack the Ripper was absolutely convinced that he was killing in order to survive.

Pierre,

That is an interesting observation.

Do you use survival in the sense of continuing to actually live, or continuing to live the life he had?

Do you think that this was a real physical threat to his continued survival?

Or was it something he perceived to be a threat?

In your opinion did the threat have any substance?


I understand the last question may be difficult to answer.


steve

[Pierre]

I thought that there was going to be more of an elaboration. From Post #17, it sounded like you might be insinuating, Pierre, that Jack the Ripper was under the impression that he was killing in order to survive.

I hypothesize that Jack the Ripper was absolutely convinced that he was killing in order to survive.

[DJA]

Apart from the murders,Jack was literally fighting for his professional survival.
Two years hard labor would have put an end to his career and been an enormous embarrassment to others of high rank.
Wrong term these days,however he was a surgeon. Medical officer is probably a better job description.

[Robert St Devil]

Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Killing and mutilating unfortunates is a bad thing to do.

I thought that there was going to be more of an elaboration. From Post #17, it sounded like you might be insinuating, Pierre, that Jack the Ripper was under the impression that he was killing in order to survive.

[Paddy]

Well if it was my suspect (Koz)
He may have started at the time his sister in law/Woolfes wife got pregnant and he may have been told to find a place to live?
She was due about April 89 but lost the baby around Feb 89. She would have conceived around August 1888.
All purely hypothetical though !

Pat...

[MsWeatherwax]

I don,t disagree, Helena. Tigers kill to eat to survive. Whether they prefer the taste of boar over elk or get a thrill from chasing down their prey is beyond my knowledge of tigers tho.

How do you have Hate entering ,the frame, Pierre? There,s no proof that he knew any of these women, so he had no genuine reason to hate any of them.

"doing (bad) things to survive" <- ????

Well, nothing to suggest that he had a genuine reason to hate any of these women specifically - I could probably make an argument for him hating women in general though.

Then again, I could make an argument that gender isn't actually relevant to the crimes at all. It just so happened that women who were desperate enough to go into dark places with a 'strange' man while a serial killer was on the loose were easy pickings.

I could make an argument that no emotion whatsoever was required to commit these murders, and I'm sure that plenty of other people on here could do the same thing.

Equally, I could make yet another argument that he was entirely driven by hate, real or imagined.

Without a suspect, it's all a bit irrelevant though.

[Pierre]

I don,t disagree, Helena. Tigers kill to eat to survive. Whether they prefer the taste of boar over elk or get a thrill from chasing down their prey is beyond my knowledge of tigers tho.

How do you have Hate entering ,the frame, Pierre? There,s no proof that he knew any of these women, so he had no genuine reason to hate any of them.

"doing (bad) things to survive" <- ????

Yes. Killing and mutilating unfortunates is a bad thing to do.

[Robert St Devil]

I don,t disagree, Helena. Tigers kill to eat to survive. Whether they prefer the taste of boar over elk or get a thrill from chasing down their prey is beyond my knowledge of tigers tho.

How do you have Hate entering ,the frame, Pierre? There,s no proof that he knew any of these women, so he had no genuine reason to hate any of them.

"doing (bad) things to survive" <- ????

[Pierre]

This doesn't make any sense to me.

Tigers don't kill for the love of killing, but because primeval instincts drive them to eat to survive and, for a carnivore, this involves killing.

Helena

Humans do things to survive too. And some do very bad things.

[Harry D]

These women were the victims of the killer's own self-loathing.

[Michael W Richards]

Let us elaborate on the concept of "hate".

Did Jack the Ripper feel hate and if he did, how and why?

How was it visible in the crimes?

What was the object for his hate?

Why was there hate?

Did the hate preceed every murder in some specific way?

When the murders started, how did hate influence this?

When the murders stopped, had the hate also stopped?

Or are there no signs of hate in the murder cases?

Regards, Pierre

Hatred, or more specifically Anger, is clearly seen in the remains of Mary Kelly. For one, its the first appearance of random slashing of a face, something almost always linked with crimes involving some form of passion. Love and Hate are equal opposites, but the line between them is fine.

[Robert]

I tend to visualise Jack's mind as a bit of a stew - everything chucked into the pot and you're never quite sure what will appear on each spoonful. There was probably more than one motive, and hate, or resentment or revenge - call it what you will - was one of the motives, perhaps the main one. I think it's worth remembering that he only killed women. Some people say that was because they were easily available. But there were other vulnerable groups - e.g. elderly male beggars, or children. Yet he leaves those alone.

[Mayerling]

It could most emphatically been a case of hate - if all the victims tended to be narcissistic dolts who thought they were the only intelligent people on earth, that their vague methodologies of thought and perception were the only true ones, and that their so-called grasp of such subjects as science, history, and even early forms of sociology were the only true ones in the universe - and insisted on these views with all their "Johns", one fed up "John" could easily have switched into a hating "Jack". Indeed, thinking about such a situation, one almost could sympathize with it!

Jeff

[HelenaWojtczak]

Pierre can,t think that Jack the Ripper hated killing because Pierre compared him to a tiger. Tigers don,t hate killing. They may ,,love,, the hunt and eating, but not in human terms.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

Tigers don't kill for the love of killing, but because primeval instincts drive them to eat to survive and, for a carnivore, this involves killing.

Helena