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  • Batman
    Superintendent
    • Jan 2013
    • 2931

    #76
    I guess it doesn't help Long that even though his accounted was corroborated he was dismissed from the force in July 1889 for being drunk while on duty.
    Bona fide canonical and then some.

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    • Hakeswill
      Cadet
      • Sep 2014
      • 42

      #77
      Indeed. Doesn't really help matters of course; the Halse version isn't clear on meaning either.

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      • Batman
        Superintendent
        • Jan 2013
        • 2931

        #78
        One reason we may have so many versions is because the hand writing was terrible and in cockney.

        If the Lusk letter is by the same hand, then its not to hard to guess what it might look like...



        Bona fide canonical and then some.

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        • Wickerman
          Commissioner
          • Oct 2008
          • 14865

          #79
          Originally posted by Batman View Post
          I guess it doesn't help Long that even though his accounted was corroborated he was dismissed from the force in July 1889 for being drunk while on duty.
          Though if he had been drunk on the morning in question there are plenty of witnesses to his conduct for it to have been noticed.
          Otherwise, his conduct the following year is irrelevant to this case.
          Regards, Jon S.

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          • Wickerman
            Commissioner
            • Oct 2008
            • 14865

            #80
            Originally posted by Batman View Post
            Warren resigned as Commissioner the previous night before the Mary Kelly murder.

            His bloodhound work and the removal of graffiti are cited as the two factors that pushed it over the edge for him.
            Cited by whom?
            It is apparent Warren was uncomfortable with his situation long before the GSG incident.
            Regards, Jon S.

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            • lynn cates
              Commisioner
              • Aug 2009
              • 13841

              #81
              Jewish

              Hello Rocky. Thanks.

              "Schwartz was described as appearing Jewish . . ."

              Meaning?

              ". . . outside a Jewish club in a Jewish neighborhood."

              As did Liz and BSM. Were they Jewish?

              Cheers.
              LC

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              • Michael W Richards
                Inactive
                • May 2012
                • 7122

                #82
                Originally posted by Batman View Post
                Warren resigned as Commissioner the previous night before the Mary Kelly murder.

                His bloodhound work and the removal of graffiti are cited as the two factors that pushed it over the edge for him.
                Its also clear that Warrens frustration was with Monro and the lack of co-operation from, and the secrecy surrounding, the CID. We know that the Home Office and Special Branch and CID all were monitoring the murders, perhaps investigating them.

                Cheers

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                • Michael W Richards
                  Inactive
                  • May 2012
                  • 7122

                  #83
                  Originally posted by c.d. View Post
                  It is certainly not a stretch to think that the GSG could have been meant as being Pro-Jewish -- as in "The Jews are tired of being blamed for things they did not do." Only the person who wrote it really knows what it means.

                  c.d.
                  "The Juwes/Jewes are NOT the men that will be blamed for nothing."

                  Meaning ....."The Jews should be blamed for good reason", or "The Jewes/Juwes keep evading blame for everything"...if assuming the word "nothing" can be supplanted by "anything". Ive always been surprised how many people don't see the very plain and literal translation of the phrase.

                  Not saying mine is the accurate translation, just that it is not a vague phrase unless one chooses to see it that way.

                  Cheers cd

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                  • RockySullivan
                    Chief Inspector
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 1914

                    #84
                    Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                    Hello Rocky. Thanks.

                    "Schwartz was described as appearing Jewish . . ."

                    Meaning?

                    ". . . outside a Jewish club in a Jewish neighborhood."

                    As did Liz and BSM. Were they Jewish?

                    Cheers.
                    LC
                    True maybe Schwartz was wearing orthodox clothing?

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                    • lynn cates
                      Commisioner
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 13841

                      #85
                      Schwartz's lighting solutions

                      Hello Rocky. Thanks.

                      Or perhaps he was carrying a menorah? (heh-heh)

                      Cheers.
                      LC

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                      • Penhalion
                        Detective
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 154

                        #86
                        Maybe he was wearing tzitzit, which would be a bit of a give away.

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                        • Abby Normal
                          Commissioner
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 11915

                          #87
                          I think a jew would know how to spell the word jew correctly.
                          "Is all that we see or seem
                          but a dream within a dream?"

                          -Edgar Allan Poe


                          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                          -Frederick G. Abberline

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                          • Amanda
                            Inactive
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 400

                            #88
                            Unless....

                            Unless that Jew was foreign and spelled it in his own language.

                            Remember D'Onston Stephenson's theory about the writing actually being 'Juives' and having been written by a Frenchman?

                            Amanda

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                            • pinkmoon
                              Chief Inspector
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 1813

                              #89
                              I seem to remember it been suggested my Maybrick supporters that it was "James" with the top of the m left open.
                              Three things in life that don't stay hidden for to long ones the sun ones the moon and the other is the truth

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                              • Qlder
                                Cadet
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 36

                                #90
                                There was a chap (I think he was Japanese) who posted a few things here a few years back who postulated that "Juwes" may have been a misreading of IWES in cursive handwriting, which puts a slightly different shade on the meaning and would provide a definitive link between the murders of Stride and Eddowes.


                                Edit: Found it using the Google machine.

                                Time does fly, doesn't it. It was nine years ago.
                                Last edited by Qlder; 12-13-2014, 03:47 AM.

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