Chalk and literacy

[c.d.]

Hello Batman,

As for other graffiti in the area, I have heard that it was commonplace. That seems to be debatable and I don't have a source for that but if somebody can come up with one that would be helpful.

Unless Warren himself wrote the GSG he is simply expressing his opinion as to its meaning. We still don't know if the killer wrote it and Scotland Yard thought it was possible that the killer was simply trying to cast suspicion on the Jews.

The bottom line is that only the author of the GSG knows what message he intended to convey.

c.d.

[c.d.]

Hi CD.
Clearly so.
Double negative or not.

Hello Dave,

If a Jewish person was tired of the Jews taking the blame for everything including things they did not do where would he go to chalk that message? Wouldn't he want to write it in an area where it would be seen by those writing anti semitic messages?

c.d.

[Batman]

Hello Batman,
Unless Warren himself wrote the GSG he is simply expressing his opinion as to its meaning. We still don't know if the killer wrote it and Scotland Yard thought it was possible that the killer was simply trying to cast suspicion on the Jews. The bottom line is that only the author of the GSG knows what message he intended to convey.

c.d.

Whatever you think it may have said, Warren who was there staring at it, was so shocked by what it could do (anti-semetic riots, not Jewish anti-gentile riots), that he had the only ever good piece of evidence they had, erased and it cost him his job. There is no report, not one, of anyone pointing out that it wasn't anti-semetic in nature. At the time you can be guarenteed 100% they thought it was connected to the apron and was anti-semetic.

Saying JtR didn't do the graffiti and that it isn't anti-semetic or ambigious occurs for a few reasons.

1) To make way for Jewish suspect, i.e - Cohen or Kozminski.
2) To accept the other versions of the graffiti are equally as valid even though they don't have corroborating witnesses like Long's.

If you want to claim they got this wrong, then there is no reason why you shouldn't be claiming that for everything else in the case also. Either one accepts that those who where there reported events accurately or not. If not, then one becomes globally skeptical of the whole of the whitechapel murders... which is not a bad thing in of itself, it is just that skepticism gets dropped when the Jewish suspects start cropping up. To go from the GSG isn't JtR to Cohen/Kozminski is JtR is a massive uturn in logic.

[Wickerman]

Whatever you think it may have said, Warren who was there staring at it, was so shocked by what it could do (anti-semetic riots, not Jewish anti-gentile riots), that he had the only ever good piece of evidence they had, erased and it cost him his job....

It cost him his job?
Where did that come from?

[RockySullivan]

How many writings were the actually? The GSG, lipski on pinchin near the torso (possibly)..was there any other graffiti at the time considered to be related. If the pinchin graffito is to be believed then that's two grafittos which are anti Semitic. With the GSG alone you have a good possibility that whoever wrote it probably wrote anti-semetic graffiti around on other buildings. Graffiti was common and especially anti semetic graffiti in whitechapel enough so who was writing that grafitti? Whose going around whitechapel writing Jewish slurs on buildings in chalk...what type of person was going around writing that? Add The socialist club and the vigilance committee letter and the ripper looks like someone who is active in the darker side of community politics. What type of person or group was writing antisemitic grafitti on buildings with chalk in 1888?

[RockySullivan]

Another perspective to consider is that the message is actually a threat to a wornwitness. If someone had seen the ripper he might've and chalked the GSG as a threat outside somewhere they'd see it. Or it could have been left for the police/press/public as is generally believed. It may have been a personal message. I wonder who lived in that building...possibly any member of the Berber st club? If lipski was chalked out torso, I wonder if it was a warning to Schwartz who may have been lived or passed near there. If Schwartz could id the ripper he may have left a torso there with the warning lipski...remember I will cut u up if u open your mouth!

[Rosella]

I think the GSG was a message from Jack, who was annoyed that his earlier fun with Stride had been interrupted by a Jew returning to the Club premises. His message in my opinion was that the police should look for a Jewish suspect.

I believe he wanted the Cockney locals to read it and hopefully turn against Jews in their locality. I think he would have enjoyed provoking a riot. And I don't think the Ripper was Jewish.

[Jason]

I don't think he wrote it , I believe he may have seen it at some point in the previous days and for some reason he found it interesting .....the writing became significant because of the torn clothing beneath it .....it's even possible that he didn't know it was there and the clothing torn just happened to be dropped at a point where there was some chalk writing on a wall .....have a look at the Spitalfields Nippers book by Horace Warner , there is loads of writing or graffiti on the walls at that time

[Rosella]

Yes, Sims' book, Living London (1908) makes reference to Yiddish graffiti in Wentworth St, too. There was obviously heaps around in several languages. The debate about the GSG will never end because we just don't know about its origins. I wish Warren had waited and allowed a photograph to be taken of it, though.

[lynn cates]

Funny, you don't look . . .

Hello Rosella.

"I think the GSG was a message from Jack, who was annoyed that his earlier fun with Stride had been interrupted by a Jew returning to the Club premises."

And BS knew Schwartz was Jewish because . . . ?

Cheers.
LC

[Batman]

It cost him his job?
Where did that come from?

Warren resigned as Commissioner the previous night before the Mary Kelly murder.

His bloodhound work and the removal of graffiti are cited as the two factors that pushed it over the edge for him.

[RockySullivan]

Hello Rosella.

"I think the GSG was a message from Jack, who was annoyed that his earlier fun with Stride had been interrupted by a Jew returning to the Club premises."

And BS knew Schwartz was Jewish because . . . ?

Cheers.
LC

Schwartz was described as appearing Jewish, outside a Jewish club in a Jewish neighborhood

[Hakeswill]

I was never sure why PC Long's version of the GSG was preferred to DC Halse's 'not the men' version. I would (perhaps naively) expected a detective to be more thorough. Is it possibly a case of the Met backing their man's version?

[Batman]

I was never sure why PC Long's version of the GSG was preferred to DC Halse's 'not the men' version. I would (perhaps naively) expected a detective to be more thorough. Is it possibly a case of the Met backing their man's version?

Long was the only one to have his version corroborated.

[Hakeswill]

I know it's easy to infer things out of context, but Halse's comments at KE's inquest seem more coherent and cogent than Long's.