GSG because of Schwartz?

[lynn cates]

pocket

Hello Rocky. Thanks.

Don't see EITHER as likely. She likely had them in her pocket.

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

the candies, if itd been in her hand during a struggle some wouldve fallen

Ok, sorry, I misread your post, Rocky.

[Michael W Richards]

If JtR was interrupted by Schwartz and made the racial slur 'Lipski' would this not explain the second anti-semetic statement, the GSG, as a comment about Schwartz?

Basically JtR is saying in the GSG that Jews (like Schwartz) are ignorant and to blame.

Even if Schwartz didn't really have the experience he claimed to have then there still is a reason to wonder if the GSG and the Berner Street murder have some connection,..because a message that seems to be asserting that Jews will evade blame for something on a night when Jews would certainly have been trying to evade blame for something seems eerily co-incidental.

We know that the cloth is the link to the Mitre Square murder, and we might have a link to the Berner Street murder with the writing, but does that mean definitively that they both were committed by the same person? Could the murderer in Mitre have been attempting to distance himself from Berner Street....the placement of the cloth and writing in an entrance to Model Homes that to my knowledge did have a least one resident linked with the club seems to be interesting, but I wonder what the author thought the Jews should be blamed for?

Cheers

[RockySullivan]

They ?

the candies, if itd been in her hand during a struggle some wouldve fallen

[DVV]

good point well who gave her the cachous and would it be possible for her to grib them during an attack or were they placed in her hand which is more likely?

They ?

[RockySullivan]

Hello Rocky. Thanks.

"Were the candies ever traced to a nearby shop?'

No.

" I wonder which pub?"

The Nelson.

". . . but yes perhaps the cachous were placed as a joke in Liz's hand. . ."

You mean when he was interrupted before he could mutilate?

". . . after all the ripper seems to have a taunting nature."

Based on . . . ?

"I see you think the story is made up? Why would Schwartz make up the story?"

To ease the pressure on #40 Berner.

"IF it was true do you think pipeman & BS knew each other?"

No.

"Working together or pipeman is a witness like Schwartz who bs man calls lipski, pipeman flees long enough so Schwartz no longer places him at the scene then goes back and kills Stride."

Whilst Liz waits, in suspended animation?

"It seems more likely to me they may have been working together."

Why so far apart?

"But it's very fascinating that pipeman was identified. . ."

He wasn't.

Cheers.
LC

good point well who gave her the cachous and would it be possible for her to grib them during an attack or were they placed in her hand which is more likely?

[lynn cates]

Q & A

Hello Rocky. Thanks.

"Were the candies ever traced to a nearby shop?'

No.

" I wonder which pub?"

The Nelson.

". . . but yes perhaps the cachous were placed as a joke in Liz's hand. . ."

You mean when he was interrupted before he could mutilate?

". . . after all the ripper seems to have a taunting nature."

Based on . . . ?

"I see you think the story is made up? Why would Schwartz make up the story?"

To ease the pressure on #40 Berner.

"IF it was true do you think pipeman & BS knew each other?"

No.

"Working together or pipeman is a witness like Schwartz who bs man calls lipski, pipeman flees long enough so Schwartz no longer places him at the scene then goes back and kills Stride."

Whilst Liz waits, in suspended animation?

"It seems more likely to me they may have been working together."

Why so far apart?

"But it's very fascinating that pipeman was identified. . ."

He wasn't.

Cheers.
LC

[RockySullivan]

Hello Rocky.

"The actions of Bs & pipeman seem so strange . . ."

So strange that the story can be seen as made up?

". . . we don't know what the assault was over if it wasn't murder?"

Exactly. There should have been no assault in that short time.

"What was pipeman doing just walking up and throwing Stride down?"

Pipeman?

"And pipeman already in a doorway when BS man grabbed Stride."

A building long since closed.

"Did BS man go to get cachous for Stride while pipeman & Liz waited?"

Assault someone then buy "candy"?

"What building was pipeman standing in the doorway of"

A pub.

Cheers.
LC

cheers lc i meant to say what was BS man doing throwing her down. Were the candies ever traced to a nearby shop? I wonder which pub. but yes perhaps the cachous were placed as a joke in liz hand after all the ripper seems to have a taunting nature. I see you think the story is made up? Why would schwartz make up the story? IF it was true do you think pipeman & BS knew each other? working together or pipeman is a witness like schwartz who bs man calls lipski, pipeman flees long enough so schwartz no longer places him at the scene then goes back and kills stride. It seems more likely to me they may have been working together. But it's very fascinating that pipeman was identified because i think he's one of the best candidates as he can be placed at the scene of an attack on a woman who was killed within minutes. It would make sense that the police also talked to the ripper in the course of the investigation but i didnt catch on or didnt have anything on him. I'd love to know who pipeman was and what he told the police?

[lynn cates]

scenario

Hello Rocky.

"The actions of Bs & pipeman seem so strange . . ."

So strange that the story can be seen as made up?

". . . we don't know what the assault was over if it wasn't murder?"

Exactly. There should have been no assault in that short time.

"What was pipeman doing just walking up and throwing Stride down?"

Pipeman?

"And pipeman already in a doorway when BS man grabbed Stride."

A building long since closed.

"Did BS man go to get cachous for Stride while pipeman & Liz waited?"

Assault someone then buy "candy"?

"What building was pipeman standing in the doorway of"

A pub.

Cheers.
LC

[RockySullivan]

It's certainly possible but I have no idea why the killer would want to do so.

c.d.

Well it could be a joke about her breath perhaps?

[c.d.]

True very unlikely. Could they have been placed in her hand?

It's certainly possible but I have no idea why the killer would want to do so.

c.d.

[RockySullivan]

True very unlikely. Could they have been placed in her hand?

[c.d.]

Or what if BSman was trying to grab the candy and that's why stride had her fist clenched grasping the candy.

The question is how did the cachous survive Liz being thrown to the ground and pushing herself back up without spilling?

c.d.

[RockySullivan]

Or what if BSman was trying to grab the candy and that's why stride had her fist clenched grasping the candy.

[RockySullivan]

I think the graffito was written to either mean Schwartz was to blame for interrupting or because the killing was outside Jewish club and shouted lipski police meant suspect a Jewish ripper.

Cd, stride might have known BS man from the street. The actions of Bs & pipeman seem so strange, we don't know what the assault was over if it wasn't murder? Wtf was pipeman doing just walking up and growing stride down? And pipeman already in a doorway when BS man grabbed stride. Did BS man go to get cachous for stride while pipeman & liz waited? What building was pipeman standing in the doorway of