Does the Goulston Street Graffito eliminate Jewish Immigrants as suspects?

[Patrick Differ]

Why not just a combination of street smarts and luck?

c.d.

Thats the easy version of events. Very lucky indeed. General street smarts or his turf street smarts? Why that area? London had Prostitutes throughout the city.

[Newbie]

I think you answer your own question Newbie. If the killer lived, say on the London side of Middlesex, could that explain a few things?
1. With all of the murders taking place in Metro would someone living in London be interviewed by Metro Police?
2. Did Metro and London outside of Sagar being a liason cooperate with investigation? The events of September 30 illustrate London police as far as Goulston with no knowledge of Metro police. No cooperation until the Apron and GSG were discovered. And it was Metro calling the shots in Metro eventhough Eddowes was murrdered in London City.

In my view if the killer lived in London City and murdered in Metro, then it is possible and even likely that he understood the Police dynamic. Living there his entire 30 plus years would also give him the knowledge to easily escape apprehension as he would know tactical avoidance at a high level. His turf.

In terms of Eddowes, Middlesex Street is between Mitre and Goulston so it makes sense that if the killer, having killed in Metro up until that point, would have to minimize his risk. Did he do that by going to his home on Middlesex or near Middlesex and then wait. And then after a period of not getting the knock on the door , simply walk over to Goulston just 2 blocks away, deposit the apron and possibly the message to give the indication he lived in Metro?

In the case of the killer being stopped between Middlesex and Goulston, there is no indication anyone was stopped other than 2 men right after Eddowes death and not near Goulston.

Of course the killer could have been heading North but it seems improbable after killing Stride and ending up near Butchers Row where Eddowes was earlier.

Eddowes turned tricks in the area she was found intoxicated and instead of returning to Flower & Dean she ended up around Mitre Square. Interesting that after the murder of Mary Kelly , again in Metro, the attention by Detective Sagar returns to Butchers Row and the only murder area in London City the Ripper appears.

Middlesex Street , London side, would be the perfect location for JtR. It fits Eddowes and one has to ask why the killer went West and not North? It was close to Tabrum, Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly.

Its possible that he knocked on the door, and got no answer; but if he was expecting someone to open, why not discard the bloody, feces laden apron beforehand?

I guess if he cut himself, and needed to staunch the bleeding, he'd go somewhere else and wait, then discard the item ... but where did he go?
Hanging out in a stairwell somewhere? Hiding out in some shrubbery by the park next to mitre square?
If he depends on someone else letting him in, his options are not good.

And where did he store the organs under this scenario? In the stairwell?

To me, that scenario is unsatisfactory.

[Patrick Differ]

Its possible that he knocked on the door, and got no answer; but if he was expecting someone to open, why not discard the bloody, feces laden apron beforehand?

I guess if he cut himself, and needed to staunch the bleeding, he'd go somewhere else and wait, then discard the item ... but where did he go?
Hanging out in a stairwell somewhere? Hiding out in some shrubbery by the park next to mitre square?
If he depends on someone else letting him in, his options are not good.

And where did he store the organs under this scenario? In the stairwell?

To me, that scenario is unsatisfactory.

If the killer was killing in Metro but lived in London City near the Eddowes murder he could have easily escaped to his home. This fact may have changed his thinking because suddenly he had 2 Police forces engaged in his capture. Up to that point the killer was doing his work in Metro. After Eddowes he returned to Metro and murdered Kelly in fairly close proximity to London City. Its possible up to this point that Metro never talked to the killer, who lived in London City and outside their jurisdiction.

Why deposit the apron at Goulston? What if the killer, who knew Police habits and even their beats, had an association with Goulston, and needed to draw attention back to Metro? Throw off the London City Police?

Would it be logical to assume that if the murders had all occured in Metro and then Eddowes apron is found in Metro as if discarded, that the Police might assume the killer lived in Metro?

Goulston Street is only 2 to 3 blocks East of the London City boundary. How hard would it be for a killer living near this boundary to walk 2 to 3 blocks East to the dwellings, where in fact other members of his family were living, providing an alibi if stopped, and deposit the apron?

Eddowes is found at 1:45 am and the apron at 2:30 am. Metro's attention was 15 minutes away with Stride. The only attention East in that 45 minute window was one London Constable making his way to Goulston finding nothing and returning. The apron found by a Metro constable new to the beat who claims it was not there previously.

For a killer murdering women in silence and almost in plain site of a passerby or inhabitant it would likely not be a stretch at all. Especially if he lived in the area. Walking the 2 to 3 blocks to Goulston and back to the City would take about 10 minutes. And who would he have seen? Apparently no one as no one ever came forward.

My own belief is that this killer killed East of his home in London City in Metro jurisdiction and simply went back to his home . He knew the Police habits and knew he likely would never be questioned by Metro. If he was he could say he was home and there was nothing they could do about it without catching him in the act. He may know this through personal experience with the Police. His only possible mistake was after being interrupted with Stride, and doing what he always did, return West to London City, he happens upon Eddowes. For him and at that moment an unbelievable gift.

After making his way home after Eddowes and roughly 4 blocks form Mitre Square he has to do something with his trophies and apron he used to carry them in. He now realizes that he may get questioned and his premises searched. The only thing he needs to get rid of is the apron. If he is a butcher then the organs are easily hidden amongst the waste. The apron however is solid evidence and must be discarded.

The question is where? London and his surrounding area was getting hot. Metro is occupied South with Stride and the only obstacle between him and going East is one or two beat cops.
if he is stopped he is just going to visit his family living in Wentworth Street dwellings. But he never gets stopped and if questioned he is never put forth as a suspect.

Is this the same man, who living in London City, is watched by Detective Robert Sagar, who he himself is trained medically and who believes this is the killer beyond a doubt. Somewhere this name is likely recorded if he is indeed being watched.

Why did the murders and attacks after Eddowes return to Metro? And why in basically the same area?